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It's all made from our data, anyway, so it should be ours to use as we want

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[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 41 points 3 months ago

It could also contain non-public domain data, and you can't declare someone else's intellectual property as public domain just like that, otherwise a malicious actor could just train a model with a bunch of misappropriated data, get caught (intentionally or not) and then force all that data into public domain.

Laws are never simple.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

So what you're saying is that there's no way to make it legal and it simply needs to be deleted entirely.

I agree.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 7 points 3 months ago

There's no need to "make it legal", things are legal by default until a law is passed to make them illegal. Or a court precedent is set that establishes that an existing law applies to the new thing under discussion.

Training an AI doesn't involve copying the training data, the AI model doesn't literally "contain" the stuff it's trained on. So it's not likely that existing copyright law makes it illegal to do without permission.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

There’s no need to “make it legal”, things are legal by default until a law is passed to make them illegal.

Yes, and that's already happened: it's called "copyright law." You can't mix things with incompatible licenses into a derivative work and pretend it's okay.

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 2 points 3 months ago

You have to copy something before copyright law applies.

[-] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 18 points 3 months ago

Forcing a bunch of neural weights into the public domain doesn't make the data they were trained on also public domain, in fact it doesn't even reveal what they were trained on.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 months ago

LOL no. The weights encode the training data and it’s trivially easy to make AI generators spit out bits of their training data.

[-] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 11 points 3 months ago
[-] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 months ago

How easy are we talking about here? Also, making the model public domain doesn't mean making the output public domain. The output of an LLM should still abide by copyright laws, as they should be.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

It wouldn't contain any public-domain data though. That's the thing with LLMs, once they're trained on data the data is gone and just added to the series of weights in the model somewhere. If it ingested something private like your tax data, it couldn't re-create your tax data on command, that data is now gone, but if it's seen enough private tax data it could give something that looked a lot like a tax return to someone with an untrained eye. But, a tax accountant would easily see flaws in it.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago
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