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I've seen people comparing the DOJ response to Luigi Mangioni and Kyle Shittenhouse. The fact that Rittenhouse is free should tell you everything you need to know.
Well the difference is that while both actively premeditated their murders whoever committed the crimes Mangioni has been accused of is far more of a menace because they had a specific target in mind and even worse it was someone rich instead of just anyone protesting the police tendency to murder.
Rittenhouse attacked 3 people, that's 3x the danger. But I guess I forgot to count up their net worths.
Can we just not lie? Rittenhouse was attacked.
Sure he was attacked in the same way you attack a burglar. He shouldve been hanged for waving that fucken rifle around outside of his hometown let alone in a different state. But such mistakes can always be corrected.
oh ffs. you are clearly unaware of how laws work in the particular states where this occurred, and are trying to staple vaguely European or Canadian laws on to the situation, mostly which are considered pretty fascist by those under them.
I am simply stating that the locals of the town should've hanged him, this aint a legal argument on my part. I am but a simple Californian stating that I think Kyle Rittenhouse deserves death, my morality rarely aligns to law.
So if you ain't no better than what you claim he is, why you mad, bro?
For one I claimed no such thing, the locales shouldve linched him. Secondly I am better than him, mostly for the simple fact that I aint so stupid as to cross state borders and poke my nose into other folks business. And thirdly I aint such a weakling to need a gun to feel strong.
No, dude. you aren't. You've already exposed yourself even if you didn't realize it then and want to backtrack now. Just another jerk off whose idea of right and wrong is which team.
No this was an argument about legality and morality. Also he is a fucken fascist of course I want to bash his brains in, he doesnt classify as a human in my books at least as far as respect and rights are concerned.
There is no Self Defense when you seek conflict.
Rittenhouse didn't premediate his shooting though? Where do you guys get your information about this?
You don't straw buy an AR then pick it up and cross state lines with it going to a known chaotic protest without premeditated "self defence".
Carrying a gun is "premeditated self defence"? Are people only supposed to carry guns where it is safe? What is the purpose of that?
So many people pushing this ridiculous idea he is guilty for not staying at home, quaking in his boots. Right to self defense and to bear arms literally exist so that people don't have to fear walking outside because of asshat violent criminals and rioters.
And even more ridiculous saying the police and prosecutors didn't care. What do you mean? They went after him with everything they had. It was a jury of his peers that told them to f off with that shit.
But I guess lemmy only likes juries if they nullify actual murderers they like, not when they let go an innocent person they don't like. (I don't like Rittenhouse either, but that does not make him a murderer.)
I remember when I was a freshman in high school, I worked at a McDonald’s. For whatever reason, I owned a Burger King t shirt. As a 14 year old, I thought it would be funny to wear the Burger King shirt to work. I figured it would annoy my boss and might get a few reactions out of other people. It didn’t work, but there were no real consequences because of it.
You really can’t see how Rittenhouse did a similar thing? He went to a protest knowing he was diametrically opposite, politically, to people actually protesting and he did it with a big ass gun. Like my Burger King t shirt, this was very clearly sending a message of “I am your enemy.” And the message wasn’t on a harmless shirt, it was on a deadly big ass gun.
You really truly believe he had no intention of killing? Are you dumb?
Cops bring guns to risky arrests. Do you believe they have intention of killing? I do, at least conditionally, yes. As in they absolutely intend to kill the guy being arrested if he pulls a weapon. Almost everyone that carries a gun has the intention of shooting anyone who attacks them. That is the point of a gun.
I don't know if he was hoping to shoot someone or if he expected to just intimidate them and didn't expect anyone would be dumb enough to start attacking a guy with a big ass gun. From legal perspective, I don't care, hoping for something is not illegal.
From whether Rittenhouse is an asshole, I already said I think he is anyway.
Rittenhouse was not a cop, he was a douchebag little shit stirrer with a murder fantasy, and he got exactly what he wanted — a fun murder spree killing liberals with no consequences.
I’m not going to coordinate an effort to lynch the piece of shit, but spreading bullshit about how “he’s not a murderer,” like what you’re doing, is disingenuous at best. Kindly, shut the fuck up
He killed two violent assholes who not only thought attacking people on the streets for their opinions is acceptable, but were dumb enough to attack and keep attacking someone with a gun in his hands. I give zero shits about if he wanted to do it.
It was not murder, since murder means killing illegally, which this was not. Not even if he was hoping they would attack him and went there for that purpose.
You could have picked from so many different reasons to why this was not murder, but this one takes the cake.
I have another one!
Murder is a crime, and Criminals are in Jail.
Since he is not, it could not have been murder! CHECKMATE LIBERALS /s
What the fuck do you mean? Murder, as most words, has a definition. I don't pick what a word means based on how I feel about a topic.
Nothing!
Please keep talking about what murder is! I really need to know.
Violent bloodthirsty evil thug, then. Is that better for you, Herr Pedant?
Everything they had? He's still alive. That's more than most shooters get.
Aaah right, so now they should have just executed him without a trial. :D
No? But usually shooters get shot, especially if they shoot blindly into unarmed folks. How isn't anyone able to read any more? Did I write trial?
Active shooters? Sure. He wasn't active anymore when the cops got there.
Yeah and you don't get acquitted of that either. Also one of the surviving "victims" doesn't blow the prosecution's case by being honest in your scenario. That look of defeat photo is priceless.
It's not "my scenario", it was what fucking happened. Also do you people ever get tired of making sock puppets when you're stupidity gets banned?
Why are you so dependant on the court acknowledged and recorded reality of what happened being false? Your rhetoric doesn;t work with facts, so you ignore those instead of constructing an argument that works within reality, for some reason. People like you cry about rittenhouse and that pearl guy, and then go celebrate Luigi.
Why are you so dependant on bootlicking and insisting a deranged little racist was justified in murdering people, and vilifying a person who the courts, you seem to rely on to tell you what to believe, hadn't even tried yet. And you so haven't answered my sock puppet question. Do you make new accounts when you're idiocy and hate gets banned, or do you make them because you're afraid people will check your history and realise your a sycophant for authoritarianism.
He absolutely did though, the whole point was he wanted to get into a fight be "forced" to defend himself.
I never saw evidence for this claim. Do you have any?
He was literally filmed that night watching Antifa Members leave a CVS, where he said "If only I had my gun on me right now"
He was also in an interview with a militia group bragging about "Never using non-lethal"
He also had various facebook posts where he talked about wanting to kill.
He also had a history of schoolyard violence against young girls.
These were disallowed from being admitted as evidence by the judge who claimed these were "irrelevant", even though they clearly paint a motive.
There's also the fact that you don't travel across state lines with an illegal weapon because you love somebody else's property that much. He had claimed he had been "Hired to protect a dealership" and that he was "Only there to provide medical assistance with the gun being purely for protection", at one point he'd even been asked to leave by police who only allowed him to stay because he lied about being a "Trained EMT"
Which resulted in the (often played out of context) clip of the police saying "We appreciate you guys, we really do!" as they gave him bottles of water. (Yet no charges for lying to law enforcement, self-misrepresentation, or "Stolen Valor", curious)
The fact that he wore gloves at all times while handling the weapon also shows he intended to use it for criminal purposes and took steps to hide his fingerprints.
The evidence of pre-mediation is overwhelming, had the Judge not been a MAGA-Plant and the Prosecution not been incompetent "DID THE VIDEO GAMES MAKE YOU DO IT KYLE?!!?!"
It's pretty obvious how this would have gone
He deliberately brandished a weapon to incite bystanders to try to defend themselves so he could kill them and call it self defense.
Did you even watch the video? He was running away each time he ended up shooting someone. First time he tried to run but got trapped between some cars and was getting rushed by a mob.
Second time he was running at a good clip and he was hit a few times, but didn't do anything until someone hit him in the head with a skateboard and he fell over. When that person came in to hit him a second time while on the ground, he shot them.
The third was while Rittenhouse was still on the ground. The other person pulled a gun on him but when Rittenhouse pointed his gun first, the third person held his gun up and backed away. When Rittenhouse tried to stand up the other guy aimed his gun at Rittenhouse, and Rittenhouse shot him.
All three times people rushed him while he was in a vulnerable position, the second person assaulted him with a deadly weapon, and the third drew a gun on him.
Rittenhouse is a dumb rightoid who put himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. That doesn't mean that he is not allowed to defend himself from obvious threats to his life. As for anyone intending to protest without getting blasted, a quick tip: don't fucking attack people who are running away because it makes it look like you're trying to kill them.
The age old source of "I made it the fuck up".