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[-] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 year ago

If a con man offers me the world, and you offer me nothing, and I listen to the con man... I've still fallen for the con, my guy.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Not really. You just chose the least shitty option you were being forced into.

But I understand acknowledging that would interfere with your ability to feel smug.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago

How is a lie 'the least shitty option?'

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Because it’s a binary choice where the other option is someone not even willing to pretend they’ll help you.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

Still a bad option.

The person who is upfront about it can be reasoned with. The liar is never going to be trustworthy.

If the guy at the train station lies and tells me that the train will be here in an hour I waste an hour. If he tells me the train has been cancelled I know to make another plan.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

A better example would be a waiter who spits on your sandwich in the kitchen vs one who’ll spit on it after they drop it off at the table.

Your best choice is to burn down the diner.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Nothing says 'privilege' more than people who talk about burning the system down.

It's like the guys who have never been in a fight are always ready to see other people go at it.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I don’t know. Expecting people to go along with a system that’s literally killing them seems way more privileged. You must not be suffering under the current status quo.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Look at Ukraine or Gaza if you want to see suffering.

Like I said, 'privilege.'

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Again, you’re outing yourself. Not only do you obviously not have a US corporation or cop pointing a gun at you, but you can’t even perceive the people around you who do.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

lol!

You are freely using a computer. You obviously have access to electricity, and probably haven't missed a meal in your life.

Where's this gun pointed at your head?

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Dude you really can’t stop embarrassing yourself.

You ever had to ration insulin? Ever been subjected to police brutality? Ever been driven to homelessness because corporate landlords bought all the housing inventory?

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Talk about embarrassing.

Read a little history. Things were way worse in the great Depression, and people organized and voted in the right leadership without resorting to 'burning it down.'

I never said that things were perfect, or even good. I said that you personally are privileged. The fact that you have time to get into this argument proves that you're not being in the least oppressed personally.

Like I said, you're pushing for people to lose what little they have so you can sit back in Mommy's basement and get all tingly watchign the action.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’ve read a lot of history. More than you it seems. If you read more, you’d know working class people are actually worse off today than they were in the Great Depression. Inequality, hunger, homelessness, and economic suffering are measurably worse now.

You’d also know FDR specifically pushed for capitalist reform because the people were on the cusp of revolution, and he wanted to avoid a communist uprising.

Your refusal to acknowledge suffering people exist around you does not make them disappear. But I guess you believe empathy is a neckbeard thing?

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

lol!

Thanks, I needed a good laugh today and your silly antics made me smile.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, it’s become clear you think the suffering of others is laughable. You’ve been extremely upfront about your attitude towards people like that.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

We both know that you aren't suffering. I'm laughing at you in particular.

The fact you can't figure that out is what makes it even funnier.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I never said I was. I care about people who are. You seem unaware those people even exist.

I understand that empathy and advocating for others is difficult for you to comprehend. You’ve not been subtle about it.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

And your idea of helping people who can't get insulin is to burn down the system so no insulin gets delivered?

That's such a helpful idea. [/s]

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Sounds like you’ve bought into the capitalist propaganda that all of society will collapse without greedy middlemen to control it all. You lack both intelligence and imagination.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Give me one reason to think you could organize a wienie roast, much less the distribution system for the country.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The distribution system already exists. The executives skimming massive profits out of it are not a critical component. In fact, it will function much better & more efficiently without that layer.

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[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Even your own example doesn't prove your point. I'd rather someone spit in my food where I can see it and ignore it.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Actually, that’s exactly my point. Blue MAGA acts shocked people don’t want to bury their heads in the sand with them, and expects the rest of us to stop complaining and just eat the spit.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

So you would rather eat spit than see someone spit in your food and send it back? No wonder you're praising republicans

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

No, I’d rather shoot the person who spit in my sandwich.

You’re the one who believes the only alternative to democrats is republicans. Don’t project your idiocy onto me.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I sincerely doubt you're going to actually shoot anyone. You're just sitting on the internet and complaining, while calling people ignorant who know what "first past the post" means.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yes. I want to say on the record, for anyone potentially monitoring this conversation, I absolutely will not shoot anyone. This is a discussion of hypotheticals.

Anyway, I 100% support anyone who does. Like this hero: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-ceo-manhattan-shooting/

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I can't believe assassinations are back in style. We went a good few years without any

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I hope it’s the first of many to come.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That would be something to see, wouldn't it?

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Read history/theory. We will see it.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I have a theory of my own: it's the only form of accountability remaining, so it's what people will begin to choose

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Definitely. “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”

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[-] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

What? How am I being smug by just pointing out that falling for a con is... Falling for a con? Trump is a well, well, well documented con man. Like... Maybe the most well documented con man ever. It's really hard to feel bad for anyone who voted for him getting screwed over.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Love the ‘how am I being smug?!’ followed by the classic smug victim blaming.

Both Dem and GOP supporters are being conned. Neither of you are in a position to be pointing fingers at the other.

[-] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

To be clear, I don't blame people who fall for scams or cons. I did say it's hard to feel bad for Trump voters specifically, but that's a pretty special circumstance as I tried to describe.

All I said was that falling for a scam or con is falling for a scam or con.

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