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Anti-NATO protest in Montreal erupts in fires, smashed windows
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You can be against Putin AND against NATO.
How so?
I get why in this momement where Ukraine appears to be dependent on NATO support, and where it seems like NATO is required to counterbalence Russia, why people would support the existence of it. But, it is absolutely a tool of US global hegemonic power. The US has committed some incredibly horrific acts to secure its position as sole global super power and NATO as a tool to develop and maintain that power has been used to that end, and will continue to be used in that way. We should not confuse tools of imperial power projection to be a good thing.
It's a military and imperialist organization lol. I'll give you a detailled reply but will also return the question: what good had NATO done exaclty?
From my Canadian perspective, NATO pressures Canada to increase military spending to 2% of GDP. Meanwhile we are in the middle of the biggest housing crisis of the past 50 years, but our (most probably) next prime minister will inject billions in the army.
NATO has supported Israel intervention on multiple occasion. Although they have timidly requested a ceasefire, they continue the official discourse on “the right to defend oneself”.
NATO has embarked on numerous interventions over the past 30 years, notably the "war against terrorism” and wars in Iraq, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria... All with great results /s
NATO isn't doing shit for Ukraine.
Your turn!
Will you tell us what good NATO has done? I took time to reply to you.
No war since WW2 for 80 years. The full invasion of Ukraine happened, because putin was convinced NATO was too weak.
No war in western europe*
And that is mostly due to mutually assured destruction and decolonization and the destruction of European imperial ambitions. If these grand entangling alliances prevented war then WWI wouldn't have happened. If nukes weren't a thing then nato would probably be a factor contributing towards another world war rather then preventing it.
No war in countries that joined NATO. #2 goal of NATO is to be prepared to fight enemy together when attacked. #1 goal of NATO is to discourage war, because it's you attack one NATO country, you start war with 32 countries.
No war since 80 years?!? Did I miss something or do you just choose to exclude Irak, Afghanistan, Syria, Bosnia? I guess that wars that do not directly affect the comfort of Westerners are not 'real' wars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NATO_operations
NATO and the USA basically destroyed Afghanistan and left all of the women of in the hands of barbarians, but fuck them I guess. 20 years of interventions and the situation is worse for everyone except Talibans, thanks NATO!
And again, NATO isn't doing shit in Ukraine.
NATO is a defensive alliance, but it also standardizes weapons, equipment and command.
The only time when NATO article 5 was actually invoked was Afghanistan after 9/11. The other times it was mostly UN missions where individual countries volunteered to take part. NATO command was used, because it helped to work with multi national presence.
I'm asking the question again: What good exactly did NATO do in Afghanistan during 20 years? Bring democracy? Was it the plan all all along to leave a bunch of weapons and the control of the country to the Taliban? You're aware that girls don't have the right to go to school anymore, and often get forced into marriage at 12? Is that what NATO is for?
Are you people just defending NATO because Trump said bad things about it? I'm genuinely curious, since when "leftys" started to cheers for NATO? I'm guessing this is mostly a US thing since being left in this country is basically being center-right in the rest of world.
And just to clarify before being call a tankie, I think Putin is an evil manipulative piece of shit and I can't wait for him to die (I hope he suffers a lot) so I can take a piss on his grave.
If living in a nato country means you were able to live in peace for the past decades, I can see why people would like that, regardless of them leaning left or right.
Countries that were subjected to Russian genocide and imperialism place great importance on NATO membership, especially since Russia is doing it all over again. Preventing death and loss of sovereignty is a very real benefit of NATO.
But.... Nato is not doing anything for Ukraine!!! And NATO is letting an actual genocide happen in Palestine!!!!
You left off the "in Europe" part.
NATO assisted with the initial invasion. The war aims and rules of engagement were poorly thought out, as one would expect of G W Bush. The two choices that made sense were to kill off Al-Qaida and leave, or stay a bit longer and kill every single member of the Taliban, in both Afghanistan and in Pakistan (where they were formed by the Pakistani ISI, and from whom they continue to receive shelter and material support). The US did neither, NATO members faded away after the initial engagement, and the US attempted to stabilize the situation without addressing the root problem. If anyone had asked me, the first option would have been my choice: kill as many jihadis as possible, take out AQ leadership if we can, then go home.
And it was Donald Trump who surrendered the Afghan people, including the women, into the hands of the Taliban, releasing all the Taliban prisoners and getting nothing in return.
But I don't believe that you're really all that torn up about the fate of Afghan women. It just feeds your anti-NATO narrative.
Why would they be? Ukraine is not a NATO country, so the mutual-defense treaty has not been triggered. I suspect you'd be complaining even more if, in response to Putin's invasion of Ukraine, NATO waded in and we now found ourselves in a war the likes of which hasn't been seen since WW2: possibly worse.
On the other hand, several NATO member countries are supplying and supporting Ukraine.
There is no in Europe in the original comment. "No was since ww2 since 80 years old".
Yeah, no one asked you and the US stayed there for 20 years.
Nah it was Biden lol. Pretty much he first thing he did when he got elected. Jeez do you even have wikipedia?
Fuck off, don't try to think for me. It's not because YOU don't care that nobody does.
Yeah, I'm anti-NATO lol, and this is one of the reason. Why dont you pro-nato give me some fucking example of what good this organization? Wanna talk about Lybia, how sudden
Exactly. So Putin can fuck up the entire planet, NATO wont do shit as long as none of the members are directly attacked. Great organization.
Now do you want to talk about Libya? How Gaddafi was best friend with all the NATO leaders until one day they changed their mind, pushed him away, and send financial sharks to "rebuild" the country.
Again, I suspect this NATO enthusiasm is a US thing since I have never met someone from the left who was cheering for an imperialist military organization that's only there to serves the economic interest of the west.