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Crowd cheered as two transgender women were attacked in Minneapolis, advocates say
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Lol ok, you're delusional if you think lemmy users are even remotely progun.
I think simple minded people can only differentiate pro or anti when most issues are nuanced. Stop being simple minded. I've owned a gun for most of my life, I also think some of the gun laws need to change. That doesn't make me anti gun, it just means I understand some regulation could save lives.
Things like universal background checks, and mandatory gun safety courses (resulting in a gun license), could both reduce gun violence while still allowing most citizens to own guns. That doesn't make me anti gun, it just means I think we can do things to reduce violence by gun.
Yea tons of nuance... regulation is not going to save lives. Fixing our society has. And you're tossing out the "I'm a gun owner" as if that somehow makes you an expert on it is hilarious.... because then you toss out the most ignorant "common sense" gun control next...
Requires registration.... instead they could open the NICS to people who sell guns for free...but nope.
So more registration....and banning private sales.
None of these will save lives, the criminals will no go through any of this to get firearms, and those who do to commit mass shootings will pass with flying colors. Those who want to use a firearm to commit suicide will also still obtain a firearm
No it makes you ignorant on the subject and as you said. Simple minded.
Want to fix our society:
Pay teachers more
Build more schools to reduce class sizes
Make sure all kids have access to school food 3 meals a day
Single payer healthcare
Increased mental healthcare facilities and workers so kids don't turn to suicide
Improve safety nets
End the war on drugs
End for profit prison system
End qualified immunity
All of these are actual solutions and not dumbass virtue signaling "common sense" gun laws that will not reduce our gun crime a single %.
I said I was a gun owner because it directly contradicted your moronic binary thinking were people can only fit in one of 2 boxes.
Okay go ahead...
And how do gun safety courses ban private sales?
Common criminals are not the only gun deaths. For crimes of passion, requiring a short term barrier to ownership usually leaves time for that passion to subside. For suicide, requiring a short term barrier is often insurmountable for someone that is depressed. But most importantly, for gun safety, a lot of dip shits with guns have zero idea what they are doing and are a danger to everyone even if they don't intend to be. The same people that will argue up and down that mandatory gun safety is too far, will also argue that gun safety courses make guns safer and we should allow all guns because good people with guns train themselves and take it seriously. It's usually just the mandatory part that bothers them.
I agree with the entire second half of your comment, from "pay teachers" to "end qualified immunity". They aren't mutually exclusive though.
Wow you doubled down on that straw man, nice job, do you work for the NRA or what?
Because this is the exact sort of straw man the NRA uses when it comes to the left and guns.
Lol I consider myself a progressive, I voted for harris...the fuck type of bullshit strawman is "NRA talk". Most of the left is antigun, if you think this isn't true you're delusional.
You're conflating gun control with being anti-gun. Which is the NRA's favorite straw man for the left's position. And the same straw man you keep using.
https://www.factandmyth.com/gun-laws-restrictions/pro-gun-arguments-myths-fallacies
Also, I won't keep arguing. The downvotes you're receiving are because you're using NRA propaganda. Not because lemmy is antigun.
Lemmy is antigun and gun control is antigun. Stop getting them confused. I've had this argument plenty here on lemmy, and have presented tons of evidence that the majority of the left would ban guns if they had the ability to do so.
You don't get to shout for an AWB, registration, wanting only approved places to shoot, banning basically everything but small calibers, making the cost via taxes be so high that only the rich could own them, etc. and say that your not antigun.
Because that's your argument. Death by 1000 cuts comes into play here. When you effectively make it impossible to own something but then allow for a few fringe cases to exist, and say "well you can own it see". You have effectively banned it, without banning it.
And I'm not using proNRA trash. The NRA is a shit organization and can go bankrupt for all I care. Stop conflating the two.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban
Straw man. The rest of your post is riddled with them too but I'm not going to bother. I'm just going to put you on ignore.
You're moderation history and my own interaction with you here tells me I'm not going to be missing anything.
Lol what does this prove anything? It banned rifles based on no logic, didnt stop mass shootings and was a complete failure. Way to prove my point.
You keep sticking your head in the sand.
Lol. He is too busy fucking with you too explain. The NRA strawman is "they're coming for your guns." They've built their entire organization around that BS. It's easy to look at a country like Iceland, see their murder rate and think, "fuck, why can't we do that?"
But it wouldn't work in the US. Guns are a part of the culture.. it's in the constitution.. bla bla. Most people on the left (obviously, not everyone) are able to do the math and realize, the US is not Iceland. What most people want is the bare minimum restrictions on them. And the other side says, "any restriction at all is one step away from THEY'RE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS!"
You sound like you actually want the government to go take people's guns, thus, fueling the strawman.
You replying to the right person? Cause i sure as fuck am not this person at all. I'm very pro-2a, like nearly 0 restrictions, pro-2a.
I replied to the right person, but I did misread what you wrote. I should have said "you think Lemmy users want the government to take people's guns."
Ah, well in that case...yea I do think that because the majority would be completely fine with it. That's not something that's hard to fathom. Plenty would be fine with having gun owners thrown in jail for not giving up their guns.
Propaganda works.
Centrist liberals are the "left" you are referring to, here. The average Lemmy user skews a bit to the left of that. If you go far enough to the actual left you get your guns back, as long as you are a prole, anyways.
Look into groups like the SRA if you want to see what I mean.
SRA still has people in it that are for large amounts of restrictions. Believe me I've been all over the place with understanding each groups thoughts on guns.
You're conflating left with liberal. Classic mistake on Lemmy. Lemmy has a large population of leftists. I'm gonna do the Scotsman thing and say that most true leftists are pro-gun to some degree.
"Any attempt to disarm the workers should be frustrated, by force if necessary." - Commie Daddy
Most true leftist... that's the key. Type in gun into search and 95% of it will be talking shit about gun owners and how we should get rid of the guns and lock up gun owners.
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
-Karl Marx
Cool, those who believe that fine, but the majority don't.