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Teachers in England will have to tell parents if children question their gender
(www.theguardian.com)
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So it's bad that parents make decisions about their own children? Wtf is wrong with people here in the comments? What gives anyone else the right to decide how to raise other people's children?!
Parents shouldn't get absolute dominion over a human being just because. At some point society is also raising and protecting all children.
"Society"? Who from society, exactly? Who decides? The ones whose ideology you agree with? What kind of generic language is this? Would you like to rethink your model for Saudi Arabia? Should "society" decide there too? Or is it only for what you think is "right"?
The problem with your argument is that it's always a red-herring where the extreme is used to justify the more extreme.
Is this a serious reply?
"Who from society" would be people like the child's teachers, counselors, friends, relatives, mentors, etc.
Funny you mention red-herrings and extremes and then go on to talk about how we'll all be living under a Saudi-like dictatorship if teachers don't snitch on kids to their parents about something like personal identity.
No. Absolutely fucking not. Full stop. My child, my choices. Period. End of story? Don't like it? Pound sand.
No it's "absolutely fucking not" a serious reply? I suspected as much.
When people have conversations involving making decisions concerning my child on my behalf, the actual reply is much more violent.
Good for you I guess? How many times has that landed you in jail so far?
This only appears to just be ramping up now. I really do think this is not a policy that any political party should be pushing, lest they find themselves the target of like minded people like myself. People wonder why homeschooling is becoming more prevalent. It's shit like this.
I get the feeling I'm talking to a bot with these canned responses that don't address my comments nor the OP. Thanks for making yourself easy to identify. See ya later!
This only appears to be ramping up now is my response to you saying how many times has it landed you in jail. I admit the nuance of conversation can sometimes not translate to written message very well.
My response to OP was that I'm not even open to conversation when it comes to my child. No one is invited to deliberate on my child's life or the decisions I make raising them.
This only appears to be ramping up now is my response to you saying how many times has it landed you in jail. I admit the nuance of conversation can sometimes not translate to written message very well.
My response to OP was that I'm not even open to conversation when it comes to my child. No one is invited to deliberate on my child's life or the decisions I make raising them.
This only appears to be ramping up now is my response to you saying how many times has it landed you in jail. I admit the nuance of conversation can sometimes not translate to written message very well.
My response to OP was that I'm not even open to conversation when it comes to my child. No one is invited to deliberate on my child's life or the decisions I make raising them.
Kids are not property. They are their own people and whether you like it or not they can be gay or trans. You can't beat them out of being queer.
If your kid doesn't feel safe telling you who they are the that's on you.
I don't understand how you have reached this conclusion. As someone who is a member of the trans community none of these decisions you talked about are made lightly. I understand as a parent wanting to know what is going on with your child but the child's mental state should be priority above anytime else. No one in the trans community wants convince anyone they are trans. That is something they must find on their own.
I'm sorry, but I gave that video am honest listen and still can't understand how this relates to what I'm saying. There may be instances of these incidents happening and they should be dealt with on a case by case basis. But this is an overreach of the child's privacy which is why we're here. One of the first thing young women victims of sexual assault say is "don't tell me dad," for fear of what that would mean for them at home. If a child says they've been having feelings that they don't understand themselves yet and they don't want to have their parents know, they have a reason. Not every home is safe and something like this will lead to children killing themselves. Not every parent can be trusted to make that decision to do what's best in these situations, so we must create institutions that can at least recognize when that is necessary for the safety of the child. We are not advocating for parents to not be a part of the discussion. We want the safety of every child to be considered in this decision.
We have the same goal here of safety for children. Let's tackle grooming wherever it is, but this won't make the situation any better for the children who need this safety. This won't work the way you believe it will, and we have evidence. I have way too much going on in my life at the moment to do a real deep dive to get the information you need. But I'm hopeful we can make this country better for everyone.
It's two videos btw, two links separated by a space, but the formatting is bad.
While you, as a person, may have good intentions, I can't trust everyone to have that, and just shouldn't. I disagree when you say the parent can't do the best. It's their job since kids are not qualified to make that decision and they're legally even responsible. In an ideal world parents decisions should be perfect, but they're not. But that doesn't justify stripping away their parental rights and making decisions behind their back. This can be extensively abused. No one with children will ever get behind this.
That is very valid. And I understand why you'd want to know anytime you can do to help your child. A hardline approach isn't the way though. Coming out is a very personal experience and as long as your doing your job as a parent they should be willing to do that when they are ready. Another part of being a parent is allowing your child to grow no matter what that means. Instead of a beautiful tree that can provide happiness and joy for themselves and everyone around them as well, they may end up as a sad houseplant in a pot that's too small. At the end of the day I think we have two different philosophies on life and being parents but we can find something that is more beneficial than harmful, and from a personal place this is going to have terrible consequences.
Wait, you think if a student confides in a teacher that they're trans, the teacher has the power to authorize bottom surgery? What?
By your logic, minors wouldn't be allowed to confide in anyone they trust unless it's their parents.
Or nobody at all if they don't trust their parents.
Educators and the government should not be outing students.
What permanent decisions can the child make as a minor
What decisions exactly? And if you so desperate to be involved in your child's life, why do you need to rely on a third party to inform you about your own child?
Are you trolling? Questioning your sexuality does not make any permanent alterations. They are thoughts. In your mind.
What does this have to do with "parents making decisions about their children?" What decision are they being deprived of if a teacher doesn't report everything a child expresses at school to the parent?
For a parallel, what if the law was instead about race rather than gender? "Teachers must report white children expressing interest in talking to black children"
You: "Well what's wrong with that? It's muh right!"