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Summary

The International Criminal Court (ICC) has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former defense minister Yoav Gallant, and Hamas officials, accusing them of war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza and during the October 2023 attacks.

The court alleges actions like depriving Gaza civilians of essential resources.

Israel and the U.S., non-members of the ICC, reject the warrants, with Netanyahu calling them antisemitic.

Hamas also criticized the decision.

The practical enforcement of these warrants remains uncertain, as the ICC lacks authority to compel arrests.

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[-] NastyNative@mander.xyz 54 points 1 month ago

This is the correct call! A majority of Palestinians and Israeli do not want war. It’s a few bad apples on both sides and they should all be jailed.

[-] kittenzrulz123 47 points 1 month ago

As someone living in Israel, that's a nice thought but a fundamental misunderstanding of Israeli politics. The vast majority of Israelis not only support war but support a complete and total genocide of every Muslim in the middle east. Furthermore a very large amount of Israelis see the hostages as an acceptable loss if it means they can kill more Palestinian civilians. Its not "a few bad apples", Israel is a fundamentally rotten "nation" that only exists on genocide and war.

[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago

I've heard that it's quite jarring to be living in Israel as someone who's progressive. Like, it's not just about state suppression of protests, but the levels of social condemnation that you get when the media landscape is so heavily skewed

[-] kittenzrulz123 8 points 1 month ago

Yes, I get socially ostracized whenever I express any even slightly left wing points. Hell even pointing out the nearly 50k dead Palestinian civilians causes people to respond angrily and with comments like "they brought it upon themselves" or "it's the fault of Hamas exclusively"

[-] NastyNative@mander.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

No one wants their lives disrupted by war. Settlers and the army do not represent the majority.

[-] kittenzrulz123 15 points 1 month ago

The vast majority of Israelis either directly or indirectly support the army. Even the most progressive Israelis (specifically people who call themselves Israeli) will rarely speak out against war crimes.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

They don't see their lives as being disrupted any more than usual. That's the problem.

[-] NastyNative@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

A war with the middle east is not normal disruption. No one wants to experience a war specially families on both ends.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Tell that to the families in Tel Aviv. They are not having the same experience as a family in Lebanon.

[-] NastyNative@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

They were bombed by Iran. I guess you are super brave to think the thought of death as not a bid deal. I think isreal is committing genocide lets get that straight. There are a lot of families that dont want to fear death everyday.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Iran's missiles didn't stand a chance.

[-] NastyNative@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago
[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Alright I honestly didn't know Lebanon was getting effects that far south. But then we need new polling, post bombing, to see if there's been good change or bad change. Because bombing can have an effect where it actually concentrates support for the regime, and it can have an effect where people get mad at the regime because they think they're being abandoned.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 44 points 1 month ago

Israelis are largely in favor of it. Netanyahus approval has skyrocketed, when they launched the offensive on Lebanon and Israelis opposing the wars and occupation are increasingly targeted by the government and government affiliated "settler" terror groups. These terror groups have ramped up their pogroms in East Jerusalem and the West Bank and decent Israelis who get in their way are beaten while the IDF watches.

[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 36 points 1 month ago

Genocide takes a lot more than a few bad apples making a whoopsie.

[-] NastyNative@mander.xyz 6 points 1 month ago
[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

You don't have a clue what you are talking about.

[-] NastyNative@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

You have no idea what you are talking about!

[-] maplebar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Make no mistake, this war is the culmination of multiple decades of extremist Israeli and Palestinian politics in which the worst possible human beings on both sides were propped up by a populace that has been blinded by decades of hate for the other.

This is what Netanyahu and Hamas have always wanted, and what they were always working towards.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Zionism is a fascist settler colonialist ideology that has always been set on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Anti-colonialist resistance for liberation and peace is not equivalent to Colonialist supremacy

Ethnic Cleansing is fundamental to Zionism

Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.

The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.

An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.

Settlements and Occupation

Israel justifies the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.

This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice.

The mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948:

Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967:

While the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements

The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.

The apartheid regime is based on organized, systemic violence against Palestinians, which is carried out by numerous agents: the government, the military, the Civil Administration, the Supreme Court, the Israel Police, the Israel Security Agency, the Israel Prison Service, the Israel Nature and Parks Authority, and others. Settlers are another item on this list, and the state incorporates their violence into its own official acts of violence. Settler violence sometimes precedes instances of official violence by Israeli authorities, and at other times is incorporated into them. Like state violence, settler violence is organized, institutionalized, well-equipped and implemented in order to achieve a defined strategic goal.

Apartheid Evidence

Amnesty Report

Human Rights Watch Report

B'TSelem Report with quick Explainer

Visualizing the Ethnic Cleansing

Peace Process and Solution

Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.

Historian Works on the History

[-] McDropout@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Israelis are terrorists who take part of the IDF to ensure the occupation of Palestine.

Of course, people like Haredi Jews and other minorities that don‘t take part of the IDF are innocent. But the rest are terrorists and should be treated as such. ✊

The Palestinian armed resistance is completely valid and it isn’t a „few bad apples“.

[-] KaTaRaNaGa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Haredis are innocent? Their vision for a the state of Israel is revanchist and purely Jewish. Their votes are squarely in a right-wing corner.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

The majority of Israelis do want war. They only want the hostages out more.

[-] small44@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Not such a thing as bad apple in an occupied population

[-] NastyNative@mander.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

Hamas and their leaders along with the nut jobs running Israel! All it takes is a few bad apples!

[-] small44@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

You can talk about bad apples on Palestine side if Israel leave all occupied land and stop Gaza blockade and armed group decide to still attack Israel

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