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It's not even close to the same. Abortion laws shouldn't exist in the first place. The decision should be left up to the woman alone. All this law is doing is making providers worry about the consequences of performing one. A law against theft deters theft.... There is a purpose to that.
It's not a baby. It's a blob. It has no sentience and the mother doesn't want it in her body. It's basically a parasite.
No one should be forced to carry a fetus. End of story
Except for the laws that punish people who seek medical aid. As exemplified by the post. Also flase equivalency.
It doesn't exist except it's on the law books. OK.
It is an entirely false equivalence. Because a fetus isn't a child until further in development.
Great who determines it's an "emergency"? With how poorly worded gop policies are it's too much of a grey area to risk for many people when the punishment is jailtime or worse. A fetus is a fetus is it's not an adolescent, more false equivalency. A fetus is a fetus, not a child.
No it's not irrelevant. If it was the laws should be removed. As it stands they exist and are therefore pertinent.
A fetus is a fetus, until it is a child it is a lump of cells and therefore no one should be forced to carry a fetus. It is not murder.
It's relevant because it is. And now you've moved onto strawman fallacies. Try to argue in good faith :)
I made my assertion with evidence (laws to punish abortions on the books) which you disregarded by saying no one has been charged (YET) so there was nothing to worry about. Then why will you not provide evidence (that we haven't already discussed and disproved) to back up your claims?
And again, as it's worded it's too fucking vague for people to gamble on. So no it's no untrue. The threat is real because it's in the books. Just because it hasn't come to pass doesn't mean it's not a threat. I do believe murder is wrong. Never said it wasn't. Abortion isn't murder.
People are gambling on it every day hence the preventable deaths. Because doctors are worried about the very real threat of jail time or major fines. Because the laws on the books are poorly worded, without clear descriptions. Why are mothers dying more now than they were before. It's pretty obvious that it coincided with the overturn of Roe, and the laws kicked back in.
Murder is wrong because our social morality says it is, in certain contexts, other times it's cheered on, and celebrated. I personally don't believe people should be killing other people at all, and fetuses aren't people, something that needs to be defined in a moral and legal context, see death. Many scientists agree that a fetus is incapable of survival on its own, and there has to be a boundary of what is acceptable. Do you agree that rape babies should be aborted?
Until you provide arguments that aren't strawman I won't continue to engage. If you want a proper debate, argue in good faith.
Also it's the mother that is punished for rape. Another shit take from you.
You have brought up some that yes we're not strawman, but when those were refuted, you continued to bring them up, just as I continued to bring up my points. No change would happen there. Then you strawman and strawman. So no I will not engage you anymore until you can argue what I said, not what you wanted me to say.
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No, those are fully formed individuals that can survive on their own if separated from the mother. The fetus is surviving off it's mother's body. Stealing her nutrients. The only thing separating it from fitting the definition of a parasite is the "different species" caveat.
The fully formed individual has sentience and can live more or less on it's own. An infant can be passed off to someone else to care for. The blob can only survive by leeching resources from it's mother's body. If she doesn't want to participate in that it's her decision. Similar to how if someone living with their parents outlasts their welcome they can be evicted.
That's not the same thing. Anyone can care for a disabled person. They don't invade a specific individuals body who then has to deal with them for 9 months. People should have autonomy of their own body over non-sentient blobs that have formed inside them without their consent.
Not murder. It's a blob until it can survive being removed.
I already clarified the disabled thing, they would be in the "or less" side of the statement you're referring to.
As for the rest, women exist for reasons beyond producing babies. If carrying a child would interfere with their goals they shouldn't be condemned to it. Stop trying to force your opinions on other people's bodies. There's enough unwanted people suffering on this planet already.
You start as a blob. It's not something you can revert to. But I guess to get to the point you are trying to make, the point cutting life support becomes a consideration would be the line. Which is already established by medical care standards.
Not always. Some women suffer greatly during pregnancy and are stuck in bed for a lot of it.
Explain how this is true.