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The measure received 14 votes in favour, with the US the sole member to reject it. However, because the US is a permanent member of the council, it has the ability to veto any resolution brought forward

Unlike several previous resolutions regarding a ceasefire in Gaza, Wednesday's measure was brought forward by all 10 elected members of the Security Council.

The US has vetoed four previous attempts at calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, on most occasions being the lone vote against the measures.

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[-] maplebar@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

So, if you're living in "Israel" aren't you actively part of the "genocide" that you're describing?

The Palestinians are just as responsible for putting shitheads like Sinwar in power as the Israelis are responsible for putting shitheads like Netanyahu in power. Both groups of people have empowered the genocidal extremist warmongers at every opportunity, and y'all want to blame American politicians for the sad state of the nations that were handed to you on a silver platter by the League of Nations after the fall of the Ottoman Empire?

As someone actually living in "The United States of America", I'm sick and tired of my democracy and tax dollars being held hostage because of your problems, and I ain't the only one.

[-] StraponStratos@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

As an American, aren’t you actively part of Trumps attacks on minorities?

Can I blame you for the “war on terror” and every other American crime against humanity?

If no, why is this person to blame for Israel? If yes, well at least you’re consistent.

[-] maplebar@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It was a rhetorical question.

IF one believes that Israel has no right to exist as a nation (anti-zionists) and that the land was stolen from the Palestinians (which, historically speaking isn't even true, because there was never a unified Palestinian nation until the Mandate for Palestine), then logic simply follows that by living in that "occupied Palestinian land" you are "an occupier", does it not?

Your specific analogies to that are bad, because you can live in America without participating in Trump's policies or the "war on terror".

A better American analogy would be to say that everyone who lives in America is complicit in benefiting from the genocide of the Native Americans, whose historically inhabited these lands. And in that case, yes, we Americans are just as guilty as benefiting from the actual genocide of the Native Americans to the hypothetical "genocide" of the Palestinians.

In other words, IF one believes that Americans are unjustly living on occupied Native American lands, then I am guilty of that, just as all Americans are. That's not a political statement, it's a logical one.

And yet, you don't hear anyone sane calling for the entirety of the United States to be returned to the Native Americans, because history doesn't work that way. The best Americans and Native Americans can hope for today is peaceful coexistence, equal treatment under the law, and a mutually beneficial society that acknowledges the wrongs of the past while working towards a better shared future.

Personally I believe in a peaceful two-state solution in which both Israel and Palestine can not just exist, but thrive harmoniously as neighbors destined to live in the same culturally and religiously significant slice of land. But unfortunately the people currently in charge, like Netanyahu and Hamas, do not think that way, and under Trump I believe there will be an unmitigated, scorched earth, full-fat genocide of Gaza Strip and probably the West Bank too.

There have always been pathways to peace, but they rely on the good faith actions of Israel and Palestine far more than anyone else.

[-] kittenzrulz123 8 points 5 days ago

When did I mention America? I said Israeli politicians suck and in addition I'm actively trying to leave (not easy)

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