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2016 and the yeas since, but especially the US presidential election that just happened, have absolutely destroyed my faith in the people of my country.
Always figured the govt was fucked, but that the average Joe had a shred of good in him. After the bullshit of the 2016 election, the 4 disastrous years after, and the 4 years following of nonstop Nazi rhetoric from Trump... 74 million of my neighbors decided he's the guy who represents them; and another 90 million or so decided not to lift a fucking finger to intervene.
No. Good people are a minority. I'm surrounded by hateful bigots who will go as far impairing their own quality of life if it means they can can harm others by doing so. This country and the majority of its inhabitants are evil. We deserve what's coming.
For sure, I grew up in a rural conservative area. I thought i knew these people. I thought they were just like me and I could understand their perspective even when I disagreed with it. But 2016 went against everything they claimed to believe in, and they just started making less and less sense, they just started getting more toxic, more hateful and spiteful , more anti-everything and everyone. No. No I can’t.
Maybe I’m falling for the echo chamber effect also, maybe I’m falling prey to those who would keep us divided and at each others throats, but I’m finding it difficult to sympathize, difficult to even want to understand them again. Difficult to give them the benefit of the doubt that they are decent people being manipulated with base emotions. No, this is them
I don't think you need 2016 for this. All you need is to be remotely awkward in grade school and this side human nature is abundantly clear.
This was a moment of disillusionment for me as well. I had faith that the country would pull together and do what I perceived as the right thing, but it seems greed and hate won in the end. Something shifted in me as the results came in. Something I can only describe as a loss of hope. Like I knew that whatever greater good we were working toward as a society was just thrown away for trivial reasons. Ever since I’ve had a more “glass half empty” feeling about the U.S. and the world as a whole and the outlook is just bleak.
Did you consider voting for Kamala the right thing? Because, IMO, it was BARELY the right thing. She offered nothing other than Not Trump to her voters. To me, it was expected that people didn’t vote for her because she had no vision and ENTHUSIASTICALLY promised to continue the ongoing genocide. She even sent Bill Clinton to Michigan a week before the GE to tell the Muslims there that they should be OK with innocent pacifist members of their family being turned into a pink mist because of where they live.
If one of the only two possible parties that is supposed to be left leaning refuse to stand by leftist ideas, a two party sham election system is going to inevitably push any country with Citizens United straight into fascism.
With all due respect, the Gaza genocide is a moot point as it’s likely to get turbo charged under a Trump admin. If you talk to most American voters they want this, as well as us to stop funding Ukraine. I don’t agree with these positions but that’s what most people here think. They believe that those funds will be allocated back to them via tax cuts and/or economic stimulus payments.
For me; my issues surround the environment, healthcare, education and workers rights here in the USA. Protection of the BWCA and the CHIPS act are of grave importance to me. A Harris administration would have protected these things. The Trump campaign specifically targeted these things. So while it’s nice to imagine a just government that cares about every specific group of disaffected people in the world, we simply do not have that here, and likely never will.
Actually, Harris was basically president for four years with a Dem majority in congress and didn’t do shit about a single one of these things. How do you respond to that?
The healthcare one is hilarious. Kamala Harris is anti-Single Payer. She even had a fake single payer plan laid out in 2016 so filled with asterisks that it gave the American flag a run for its money for amount of stars.
Oh and worker’s rights? Stop telling jokes. She was part of the administration that made it illegal for rail workers to strike.
https://time.com/6238361/joe-biden-rail-strike-illegal/
Yet the administration intervened to help them get what they were striking for.
There’s definitely a place for vital jobs where striking can be illegal, but the administration also made sure they were set
You might also pay attention to the other pro labor actions of this administration, including the first sitting president to stand on a picket line
I had downvoted you but nothing you said is untrue.
No party represents me. The Democratic Party pretends to (to the satisfaction of many, clearly) but it is honestly a joke if you compare us to the rest of the world.
They passed the chips act and upheld environmental protections. What are you on?
We will see how workers rights fare under Trump.
Leave it to libs to take one small symbolic, easily reversed law and lean heavily on it to excuse the clear pattern of impotence and bloodthirstiness of an almost equally corrupt major power.
The more I read your comment the more insane it sounds. The Dems never had a majority in congress. They had the senate, not the house. The senate can’t do shit if the house isn’t aligned. A VP’s role is not the same as a president and her powers were very limited. Regardless we’re splitting hairs over these things.
ACA is on the chopping block with Trump in control of all executive branches of government. They have no healthcare plan.
We will see what happens, but please stop bullshitting me.
I did make some factually inaccurate statements. Sure.
However, I still stand by my point and my point is strongly reinforced by far less people being excited enough to go vote for Kamala than previous candidates.
But you have to realize just how little the Dems were offering, right? IMO, you have to be fairly wealthy not to see the suffering happening in this country. All the Dems did was tell people that their lived experience was not real and point the finger at Trump. They were utterly impotent. They could have lied like Obama did about Single Payer and government transparency and NO ONE would have noticed. But she couldn’t even do that. Couldn’t even PRETEND to hear anyone out. It was baffling.
Additionally, Biden is basically braindead. So, I can’t quite fathom how you convince yourself that he’s running the country…or has been for a few years now.
I am not bullshitting you. You should try to see me as a mirror that you refused to look in throughout 2024 and should probably start to rethink the tribalism and two party bullshit you’re perpetuating.
The fight is and always has been the rich vs. the poor. We have lost major ground because we allowed identity politics to take hold. We signed away our country to corporations of the world..and the few of us that realize this are trying to wake you (otherwise intelligent) people up.
If you don’t see that, you’re lost and I’m wasting my time.
So, considering the stranglehold the two party system has on American politics....what was the right answer?
Vote for a third party candidate, that is systemically prevented from attaining a position?
Yeah the Democratic Party is tragically obsessed with pandering to the right and holding their "moderate" position; but damage control is damage control.
The right answer is to end the stranglehold. I live in a blue state, so being utterly unrepresented (and it not mattering much in the cogs of the machine) has been my default since 2016.
Honestly, my opinion of this country since our two party system installed Trump for the first time BECAUSE the Democrats flat out told us that they refuse to represent labor has been that of a sinking ship.
Bernie had more grassroots support than any candidate in my lifetime and was flat out cheated out of the nomination. Once they legally defended themselves against accusations of election fraud by saying they don’t need to be fair, I have FULLY checked out. And I tend to have a cynical laugh at anyone who hasn’t…
I continue, election cycle after election cycle trying to convince people that we are in a sham democracy and people laugh at me and ridicule me and block me and tell me how wrong I am while I watch Kamala do her best impression of Bush Sr. circa 1981 and Trump go off the Ted Nugent deep end SOLELY BECAUSE OF the utterly corrupt crop of democrats that are the standard in this country. By the way, corporate America loves to recruit minority sleeper cells to try and wokewash away their corporatism
It’s not new.