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US Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.

“Trump won because of us and we’re not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others,” says Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump. Muslim support for Trump helped him win Michigan and may have factored into other swing state wins, strategists believe.

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[-] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 48 points 1 month ago

These are not smart people.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago

You are the reason I dislike liberals.

You just look down on other people instead of trying to understand why they did what they did.

Be more like AOC. She asked her constituents that voted for both her and Trump why they voted for Trump so that she could understand them.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago

Do you know anyone in your personal life that fell victim to a scam? Used car? Telemarketer?

How many times would it take that victim being scammed by the same person before you called them dumb?

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

What does calling people dumb accomplish? Get them to hate you?

Why don’t you do something productive like help them recognize scams?

[-] Kilometers_OBrien@startrek.website 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It socially shames you into making better choices.

If you were dumb yesterday, you can be not-dumb tomorrow if you admit to yourself that you were dumb.

It's called personal growth, you won't see it anywhere on .ml or whatever cesspit you dragged your opinion from.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

It socially shames you into making better choices.

Honestly, I think this is one reason why the disinformation networks - hate radio, Faux Nooz, the bro-ed up magaverse online, etc - is sooo effective.

It used to be socially painful to make stupid choices and to show fealty to really stupid things, like the Republican Party. Now, instead of these people having to go into a corner and nurse their wounds and maybe reflect, they flee into the irreality bubble these things provide, AND THEY ARE VALIDATED in there. They experience no painful shame, or at least not for very long.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago

See other post. I voted for Harris. I thought an insurrection was enough to convince the populate not to vote for a traitor and I was wrong.

Socially shaming people doesn’t all work. It made me NOT vote for Clinton in 2016. What made me vote for Biden in 2020 and Harris in 2024 is every thing that happened during Trumps presidency. I learned my lesson then.

Democrats’ attitudes at the time, much like the person calling Muslims dumb, was a big factor in me choosing not to vote for Clinton back then.

I’m trying to prevent that same thing happening to other people - especially a voting bloc that can sway my state.

There are paths to personal growth that don’t involve being a dick to others

[-] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

much like the person calling Muslims dumb

The person you're referring to didn't call Muslims dumb. They said "THESE PEOPLE" are dumb, referring to Muslims that voted for trump. Are you being deliberately obtuse, or is reading comprehension simply not in your wheelhouse?

[-] D1G17AL@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

They are cherry picking the specific words they respond to. Which is a classic loser argument tactic that is employed to try and achieve a holier than thou position. See if they can somehow twist your words around to make it sound like you are forcing words into their mouth then they can play the victim. Suddenly if they achieve victim status that means you don't get to say mean things to them anymore. When really, socially shaming people does still work. There's just a lot of "coddling" that happens in online social media groups that allows people to massage their feelings in such a way so that they feel empowered to continue holding the same DUMB view points that got them shamed in the first place.

[-] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yep. It was kinda cute how savagely they fought against a made-up position. Tilting windmills and all that.

[-] D1G17AL@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Not sorry, stupid people need to be told they are stupid so they stop being stupid. Sometimes it means calling them out harshly. Get over it. Not everyone needs to be treated like a delicate flower that will wilt at the slightest disturbance. People are not made of sugar, crying won't make them melt. We have an epidemic of stupidity spreading around the world. America is one of the worst places for it and people like you that cringe at calling out stupid are not helping solve the problem.

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

When has this ever worked xD the vegan school of recruitment will ensure nobody votes for democrats again, people don't like being shamed for shit they believe by people who think they're superior in every way

[-] Vespair@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

All things are not equal.

"You fell for a scam" does not feel anything like "somebody else thinks the normal choice backed up by the whole of human history that you also made is immoral."

Shame is a tool, and just like how you can't use a screwdriver to fix a leaky pipe tools don't apply to every situation.

Shame is valid when a person is making bad decisions that cause harm to themselves and those around them, not when somebody else is grumpy because we like fried chicken.

[-] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Trying to teach stupid people? Obviously, you've never taught. Try teaching a fish to use a unicycle, then get back to us .

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Excuse me? Are you saying you gave up on your students?

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

He'll yea those dirty Muslims and queers and commies and shit will never learn bc they're just so much more stupid than liberals, therefore why even bother appealing to them? Why bother trying to protect them?

This shit literally hurts democrats. This holier than thou shit inspires people who might have voted Democrat to not do that. Why are you an asshole to people who are so close to voting for you? It only makes people hate democrats. Maybe try actually arguing in good faith rather than assuming everyone who doesn't blindly VBNMW every election is stupid and evil?

[-] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I never said ANY OF THAT.

Get those windmills, Quixote.

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Denying that you're guilty of that libshit doesn't make it any more tempting for anyone to vote democrat, and I say that as someone who voted for harris

[-] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The fuck are you even talking about? What "libshit" am i denying..?

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So democrats should have done more to appeal to Muslim voters to make sure they don't vote for trump? Bc it sounds like you think it's Muslims fault not voting for their own eradication, rather than democrats fault for not promising to not eradicate them. And since you think they're stupid, it really sounds like you just don't think democrats should give any shits about Muslims, since they're just stupid trump supporters anyway

[-] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So democrats should have done more to appeal to Muslim voters to make sure they don’t vote for trump?

I'd say yeah. Fucking A.

Bc it sounds like you think it’s Muslims fault not voting for their own eradication, rather than democrats fault for not promising to not eradicate them.

Source, please.

And since you think they’re stupid, it really sounds like you just don’t think democrats should give any shits about Muslims, since they’re just stupid trump supporters anyway

I'm ChronosTriggerWarning, and I do not approve this message.

I'm gonna need some links of me saying this shit you're yelling at me for saying....

I'm of two minds: you've confused me for someone else's comment OR you've misunderstood, badly, something I've said.

[-] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

"I'd say yeah. Fucking A" then what is even your point here? If you know Biden and Harris ran a shit campaign where they did nowhere near enough to appeal to Muslims, then why are you even here?

I'll post this again, since you clearly didn't see it when you posted it or when I showed it to you last

Calling people you disagree with stupid is an absolute shit way to get support. Again, if you think dems should be doing more to appeal to people other than the right, why in the fuck are you shitting on people who also think that? Acting like it's everyone else's fault you lost is gonna make everyone else laugh at you and never vote for your guys.

So I guess this is just a dead end of a conversation cx you're not gonna admit you and other liberals have a superiority complex over non-libs, and I'm not gonna accept that shitting on potential blue voters is the proper way to court them. Have a nice day, from the river to the sea 🇵🇸

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[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Hard to do when they’ve decided the scammer is God and anyone who says otherwise is the enemy who deserves to die.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

I’m not saying go talk to the hardcore MAGA cultists mate. I’m saying seek to understand motivations and be open to dialogue if they can be convinced (ie. Former democrats voters). All I’m saying is coming with “stupid” right off the bat doesn’t help anyone.

I do insult 45 because no matter what I do or say I’m not going to convince him. I think the Muslims who voted for 45 again in my state, however, CAN be convinced

[-] Vespair@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

Not everything has to be about teaching a lesson, sometimes it can be just an observation of a fact.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 19 points 1 month ago

I read some of the comments from AOC's constituents. Many of them were not smart people either.

If you want to learn what it takes to sway dumb people, you can run a very unethical campaign like Trump's and get the Presidency.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 16 points 1 month ago

She asked her constituents that voted for both her and Trump why they voted for Trump so that she could understand them.

This is like asking someone to explain why they believe the world is flat or that we didn't land on the moon.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago
[-] moody@lemmings.world 13 points 1 month ago

“It’s real simple… Trump and you care for the working class.”

Yep, real smart people there. Anybody who voted for both of them together is an idiot. They represent polar opposites of the political spectrum. She's basically the most progressive politician after Bernie, and he's the most regressive. She's thoughtful in the way she expresses herself, and he spews verbal diarrhea and lies as if he would instantly die if he said anything true.

Anybody who thinks Trump cares for the working class is fucking delusional. He's shown time after time that he doesn't care about anything that doesn't directly benefit him. He's a fucking monster and anyone who can't see that has to be stupid.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Anybody who thinks Trump cares for the working class is fucking delusional. He’s shown time after time that he doesn’t care about anything that doesn’t directly benefit him. He’s a fucking monster and anyone who can’t see that has to be stupid.

Yep. He had four years and the only thing he did was give away gigantic bags of goodies to the already obscenely wealthy. He didn't do anything for the working class.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

You are focusing on Trump bad. Focus on “what can the Democratic Party do to be more appealing to voters?” The answer is be more like AOC - show you care about the working class.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 8 points 1 month ago

This only supports my statement.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

When those people vote you need to know why. Or be snide, that's worked out great for the Dems

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 4 points 1 month ago

It’s because they’re stupid and/or bigoted.

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Cool. Don't meet their concerns then. It's really important to feel morally superior while you're politically irrelevant

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 2 points 1 month ago

When "being politically irrelevant" is not being a fascist, who has the moral high ground?

[-] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Way to completely misunderstand what I said. I'm done here.

[-] Kilometers_OBrien@startrek.website 12 points 1 month ago

Found another not smart person, guys

[-] ChronosTriggerWarning@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

You just look down on other people instead of trying to understand why they did what they did.

They said while looking down their nose through a smug sense of superiority

[-] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Rubles.

They did it for the rubles

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