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Thank goodness the Democrats perpetuated the genocide in Gaza so they wouldn't lose to Trump! 🤦
Yup. I don't understand why people are talking like Harris isn't also pro-genocide. Obviously more Americans are going to die under Trump and that's a tragedy too, but why are people pretending the election was about Palestine?
The election was never about Palestine, ultimately the Dems lost of their own volition by running rightward with Liz Cheney. Rather than going with a safe win like ending support for genocide and running on a progressive platform, or even a Leftist platform (which the DNC would never do, for the record, even if it would win), they deliberately chose to lose to the reps. Their donors would rather have Trump than progressive Dems win.
More Americans would die under Harris as well. The US Empire is crumbling, even if Harris won that wouldn't stop that process, what's necessary is for the working class to get organized.
Meanwhile, Palestine burns and the Dems got away with it.
Irrelevant
Trump ran on “the Dems aren’t doing enough for Israel” and won the Arabic vote
Trump didn't win the Arab-American vote, Harris lost it. Arab-Americans pivoted towards the Green Party and PSL.
It’s the same thing
How many elections has the messaging been “a vote for Stein is a vote for Republicans”
It is not the same thing, lol. If Arab-Americans wanted Trump to win, they would have voted for Trump.
He didn't though, Jill stein got like 40 percent, Harris and Trump got 20 each.
Honestly this simplification comes off as disingenuous and attempting to play Arab voters are more conservative and backwards.
The Democrats share responsibility with the Republicans and Imperialists that have supported Israel's settler-colonial genocide for nearly a hundred years
I have been pro-Palestine since far before October 7th, 2023
Even if I wanted to get Trump elected, I couldn't. The Democrats lost because they ran an awful campaign and shifted even further right despite polling telling them that at that point swing voters would rather vote for Republicans.
I advocate for worker organization and revolution, I blame the Dems for spoiling the left as far-right wingers and I blame the Reps as far-right wingers. Even if every single third party voter in every swing state voted for Harris and convinced 2 or 3 others to do the same, Harris still would have lost handily.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
How am I misleading anyone? What have I said that's false? You might need to step away from the keyboard for a bit.
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What mistruths? You can't point to anything, you just namecall and slander. Point out something specific.
What in the world are you on about now? Can you come back down to the realm of reality, so we can uave an actual conversation? How would I be both a Russian Bot and an all-powerful third party voter that somehow decided this election?
You can't answer what you're talking about, you can't explain which of the things I've said is misinformation nor why that is, all you do is call others "Russian Bots" or "Commies" like a 1960s American McCarthyite.
I absolutely can acknowledge the real existing struggles faced by AES states, and can offer contextualization or explanation of how we can avoid making the same mistakes. What's more evident than anything is that you don't actually know what those struggles really were, so you throw it all under the banner of "COMMUNISM BAD," which I can't engage with.
If you ask me about a specific event, time period, action, etc. we can have an actual dialogue. Failing all else, I recommend you read Blackshirts and Reds by Dr. Michael Parenti, he takes a critical eye towards the successes and failures of the Soviet Union in a way that analyzes what actually happened there.
Eventually the real world will let you know that Marxists are right, yet again.
4.41 stars on Goodreads is one of the highest scores.
I think the correct thing to do to give yourself agency moving forward is to project blame onto 10 million people staying home.
I think that this will let you further develop yourself and do the things required to meet your goals.
What do you have agency over right now? Are you part of any democratically run political organization right now?
Politics isn't gonna fix what is being undermined and dissassembled in our Democracy right now. Y'all keep coming up with pompous causes to distract people from REAL action. Fascists are my target from here going onward. I see or hear one and I react, with action. Enough discourse, we fight.
Just so you know you can't defeat fascism without defeating capitalism. I recommend reading "the economy and class structure of german fascism" and "fascism and social revolution".
In general individual action doesn't really help address social problems.
I dont think electoral politics will work but you have to expand your definition of politics if you think electoral politics is all that politics is.
Bullshit. The acquisition and accumulation of wealth is not a fascist construct. Yes rich people are fascists quite often but this stupid anti-capitalist rhetoric must stop. Whatya gonna do, abolish money?
There is the problem, you don't even know how to define capitalism. I would suggest reading "wage labor and capital" and "value price and profit"
Both Wage Labor and Capital and Wages, Price, and Profit are free, as well as excellent for beginners with no experience in economics (though it's easier to understand if you've at least taken a high-school or college level economics course).
Unlike Capitalists, Communists advocate for moving beyond the profit motive 😉
What are we selling? The work is free and in the public domain.
Yes, actually, eventually abolition of money is an important goal of Communism. You may wish to read Prices in a Planned Economy to learn more about what that looks like and how it's done.
Well you can't. The population as a whole won't let you.
What do you mean? How do you keep using money after moving to a fully publicly owned, planned economy? You will still use tokens to exchange for goods from the public, but it wouldn't be tradeable with others to prevent accumulation and profit.