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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by seahorse@midwest.social to c/antifascism@midwest.social

This is a screenshot giving personal information about that sexist rat bastard Nicholas Fuentes. Specifically: Full name: Nicholas J Fuentes Current home address: 1826 Home Avenue Berwyn, IL 60402 Telephone number: (708) 352-7859

Report all you want. This is not getting taken down. Fuck nazis.

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[-] s3p5r@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

That's definitely a fair point that it's quite indirect, which I think raises another question - why not just directly call the actions cruel / contemptuous / arrogant or belligerent / whatever else? Do we need to describe the person at all if it's really the actions that we're trying to discourage? Calling someone a slur, while harsh, seems to be perhaps as indirect as the dead hamster metaphor - if the goal is to condemn their choices.

[-] Signtist@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

I would say that's exactly what we're doing now, and it's not working. It seems people can live with being called cruel, and maybe even enjoy it. But I think the feeling of being ridiculed is something more fundamentally at odds with a person's self-image, and eats away at their confidence more than other forms of societal rejection.

[-] s3p5r@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, ridicule or insults are generally not very helpful at promoting positive change, unfortunately. If they were useful, we'd tell parents to insult their children as a teaching method. The fact we don't recommend that might imply that ridicule is not great for personal growth. Insults usually only helpful as catharsis for the person using them. More reason to be considerate in choice, in my opinion.

Actual good actions are necessary to promote other good actions. I hope we both can do more good going forward.

[-] Signtist@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think ridicule will change the person being ridiculed for the better - I don't think anything really could until they make the choice to change for themselves, which people rarely have the desire to do. Ridicule is more to quiet people who are displaying bad behavior, incentivizing them to promote it a little less, and to send a message to others who idolize such people that they might want to reconsider who they look up to.

[-] s3p5r@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

Especially given the events of the last week, that doesn't seem to have worked either, no matter how direct. The ineffectiveness would also explain why Fuentes has now been doxxed.

[-] Signtist@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

I honestly haven't seen a lot of real ridicule. Sure, there are memes and other internet things, but those are easily dismissed. I need people going up to them on the street and just laughing at them, like their entire persona is pathetic.

The internet has connected us, for sure, but it also stole the impact that real, in-person interactions can have, both positive, like having a friendly conversation with a stranger on the street, and negative, like with the shame that comes from knowing your behavior is being rejected by your peers.

I think that has to do with why doxxing is a popular way to up the ante in situations like these - things are a lot more real when they're not behind a screen.

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