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submitted 2 weeks ago by Zaktor@sopuli.xyz to c/politics@lemmy.world

Harris only received five percent of Republican votes — less than the six percent Joe Biden won in 2020 when he beat Trump, as well as the seven percent won by Hillary Clinton in 2016 when she lost to him. While Harris won independents and moderates, she did so by smaller margins than Biden did in 2020.

Meanwhile, Harris lost households earning under $100,000, while Democratic turnout collapsed. Votes are still being counted, but Harris is on pace to underperform Biden’s 2020 totals by millions of votes.

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Alright, well "expecting them to do the bare minimum" isn't a winning strategy either. Expecting people to do things they've demonstrated they won't do doesn't make any sense.

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

well if you don't consider upholding the values of the people within the government structure worth voting for, than maybe democracy isn't the thing for you.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's completely upside down. Democracy means the people within the government structure are supposed to uphold the values of the broader population. If you think the people in the government structure should be the ones to set the values, then maybe democracy isn't for you.

i mean sure, if you thought i was defining democracy, that's one of the ways you can define it.

I was just making the argument that you shouldn't give a fuck at all if you don't even care to uphold the values of such democracy, yourself.

Also if we're being semantically pedantic here, a democracy is technically just a form of collective enrollment in governance. The people collectively as a unit decide who best represents their values, and then they elect that person to a position they see fit for those values.

fun fact, we call people who are represented by politicians, constituents.

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