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Self-described Nazi becomes first person jailed in Australia for performing outlawed salute (www.nbcnews.com)

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Jacob Hersant, a self-described Nazi, was sentenced to one month in prison, becoming the first person in Australia jailed for performing an outlawed Nazi salute.

Convicted in Victoria for making the salute outside a courthouse in October, Hersant’s act followed new legislation banning the gesture.

Magistrate Brett Sonnet justified the sentence, citing Hersant’s intent to promote Nazi ideology publicly.

Hersant’s lawyer argued that his actions were nonviolent and claimed they were protected as political expression, stating plans to appeal the ruling on constitutional grounds.

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[-] Wolfram@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago

No, fuck off with your take. That is free speech taken to a literal extreme. Allowing free speech to this extent encourages fascist and Nazi movements to flourish. Nazis should feel uncomfortable or unable to express these views.

[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Eco warriors should worry about being imprisoned for going to demonstrations. These are the kinds of things that can happen when you give your government power to jail people they do not like.

Edit: What happens if Australia's equivalent of Donald Trump gets in office and enact the policy mentioned above?

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 22 points 2 weeks ago

Not every country has such a paranoid view of their government as Americans do. Some systems function a bit better when the people want something done.

[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

Wasn't it Australia that I read about basically having concentration camps in 2020 for the pandemic? All I'm saying is that you do not question your government at your own peril.

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

They were not concentration camps, people arriving in Australia were asked to isolate for 2(or maybe 3) weeks.

At least look things up before giving political hot takes. And while you're looking things up, try to understand what paradox of intolerance is.

[-] prole 16 points 2 weeks ago

concentration camps

Yeah, no.

[-] Wolfram@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Despite free speech supposedly legally allowing protests and demonstrations there is still a real risk of being imprisoned.

My point is even "free speech" is not total free speech in the United States for example. There are still compromises in free speech so we may preserve order. Allowing free speech to that extent lets these movements flourish.

[-] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

I absolutely agree. But we as a society need to be very careful because we cross some divides at our own peril. Today it might be Nazis making a salute. Tomorrow it might be journalists writing oposing views.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

"You can't censor Nazis without jeopardising everything journalism is about."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

And you can and should, btw, censor Nazis. Or you'll end up like Dumbfuckistan.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Edit: What happens if Australia's equivalent of Donald Trump gets in office and enact the policy mentioned above?

See because they have reasonable limits on supporting fascism publicly, there's less of it going around, so they don't exactly have an equivalent demented child-raping fascist to vote for.

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