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Harris only received five percent of Republican votes — less than the six percent Joe Biden won in 2020 when he beat Trump, as well as the seven percent won by Hillary Clinton in 2016 when she lost to him. While Harris won independents and moderates, she did so by smaller margins than Biden did in 2020.

Meanwhile, Harris lost households earning under $100,000, while Democratic turnout collapsed. Votes are still being counted, but Harris is on pace to underperform Biden’s 2020 totals by millions of votes.

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[-] orclev@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

I don't think there's enough center left for them to go any harder center without going further left. They were already running on a bunch of right wing Republican policies. They've only got three options. Go harder right and actually become diet Republicans (all the oligarchy, but only half the fascism!). Stay exactly where they are. Or go left and return to being mildly progressive. They've shown that where they are currently is a losing proposition, so realistically their option is to try to appeal to the middle of the Republican base, or walk back some of their right shift of the last few decades. I don't think they're going to be able to successfully out Republican the Republicans so they've really only got one viable play.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't know how else to say it: Harris relied on the left with abortion rights and saving democracy, and the left didn't show up. The center cares about inflation and housing, which Harris did not address enough. They will go to that center, Bill Clinton's "It's the economy, stupid". There will be no real progress, just economy for the center.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Left isn't just social policies, it's economic policies as well. She should have been talking about inflation and housing this election in addition to things like abortion. Instead she decided to focus on border control and foreign policy, two Republican talking points, and even worse she decided to go right on both of them.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

We live in different worlds because I think her focus was on abortion and saving democracy. Border is both center and right imo, you'd be amazed.

Foreign policy is an example of how no one cares about Gaza or Ukraine (or NATO), which are what the left cares about. The left didn't show up. Yes the Gaza situation is fucked, but the difference between Harris and Trump are stark and vast.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

but the difference between Harris and Trump are stark and vast.

And you think making that difference narrower would have improved Harris' chances?

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

That was about Gaza, holy bad faith. Hey I recognize you.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

As though there exists any policy you won't advocate moving right on.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ah was it you that insists on calling ~~me~~ anyone who doesn't agree with you an enlightened centrist? Still having fun with your strawman I see lol.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

I would never call centrists enlightened.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Wasn't it you that does it in a mocking sense. Either way you can take out that word and your strawman remains.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Wasn’t it you that does it in a mocking sense.

You believe a lot of shit you made up about me.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

See that was a legit question. But your strawman was a definitive statement that you literally made up about me.

And of course, your strawman remains.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I'm gonna nope out before I catch a ban for slapfighting.

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