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So no real change from Biden or Harris then?
Yes, apart from the blank check part and Trump telling Netanyahu to "finish the job" on national TV, no real change at all.
Oh, and also the impending genocides of brown and queer people, but I was told before the election that those weren't important and/or wouldn't happen.
What in the past 13 months has made you believe that Biden is not giving Israel a blank check to what they want and just finish the job?
The fact that it hasn't happened?
It is happening. Look at what they're doing in Northern Gaza. Look at the townhalls they have where they openly talk about settling it once they wipe out that entire area. And you think it's going to stop there? Look at them banning the UNRWA and look at how they now passed a new law aimed at deporting anyone related to "terrorists". Look at how they're now starting to demolish homes in the West Bank too.
It's fucking happening already. What are you waiting for to say that Biden is supporting it? For Israel to finish the fucking job?
Israel has not been given a blank check from the U.S. It simply hasn't. I'm not sure why you're trying to claim otherwise.
I just gave you the fucking reasons. Why don't you give me why you think they haven't?
Because congress allocated a specific amount of money for arms sales to Israel. This isn't a secret.
What are you even trying to say? That because there's a number on a sales package that can be renewed on a whim that this means Biden isn't giving them whatever they want? Keep in mind that the DOJ are sitting on 500 documented cases of Israel using American weapons to commit war crimes. Biden is not fucking stopping them in the slightest. The only difference between them is that Trump just openly says it.
I don't think you understand what 'blank check' means.
No I really do. You just don't want to equate the 2 people on this topic. The genocide is happening as we speak. It's been happening for a year and everytime Israel needs more money, weapons, or defence systems. Biden is more than happy to oblige. He's gotten more money from pro-Israel lobbyists than any other Senator in history. Both are being paid to provide unconditional and unlimited support to Israel.
This is the last time you get to imply that I am denying a genocide is happening.
You have a habit of putting words in my mouth, this is the 3rd tkme you do in the past few weeks.
We werent arguing over whether or not there is a genocide. We were arguing over the fact that Biden has given Israel virtually unlimited resoruces to do whatever the fuck they want. I've explained myself, unless you're going to do the same to me this conversation is useless.
I am putting no words in your mouth. I am going with the words you wrote that I am reading on my screen. This is what you wrote:
If you were not accusing me of denying genocide, what were you accusing me of?
You also wrote this to me:
Again, sure looks like you're accusing me of denying genocide.
You're right. We were not arguing about whether or not there is a genocide. You just decided to accuse me of denying it twice anyway. You do not get to do it a third time and get away with it.
That was me explaining myself and how I reached the conclusion that Biden is also providing unlimited and unconditional support same as Trump would. Something you still haven't done for your viewpoints by the way.
Again, I explained my viewpoint very clearly. A specific amount of money has been allocated. You can claim they would get more if they asked for it under Harris, but unless you have a crystal ball, you cannot know that. Trump has made his intentions very clear. I go by what people say, not what people have decided they will do.
I have 13 months of daily war crimes, regional escalations, and staunch military support from the Biden administration that says I'm right.
And you are privy to all backroom discussions to know that Israel has gotten everything they want from the U.S.?
What is your security clearance level?
If you're just going to disregard what I say simply because you don't like it or agree with it, then why are you even bothering talking to me?
I'm going to disregard what you say because unless you know about what is going on behind the scenes, your claims have no merit.
My claims are based on actual events that have happened over the past 13 months. What are yours based on?
Repeating that doesn't change the fact that you do not know what is going on behind the scenes so you cannot know if Israel has gotten everything they have wanted from the U.S.
That is not something you have been made privy to unless you have the security clearance.
So at what point would you say that Biden has been giving Israel all the support they want or need in their genocidal campaign? How many arms shipments, troop deployments, and monetary relief packages does it take for you to arrive to this conclusion in your mind?
I wouldn't say because I am not privy to that information either.
I do know what Trump has said he will do. I see no reason to disbelieve him.
So previous actions have no bearing here? If Israel came out and said that they intend to leave Gaza if Hamas no longer exists, would believe them? Or would you say they're full of shit like any rational person would do?
Interesting how you keep insisting I tell you how I arrive at my conclusions and every time I do, you don't accept it.
But hey, when Netanyahu replaces Gaza with a bunch of resort hotels, you can proudly tell everyone that Biden would have allowed the same thing to happen... assuming you're white, male, heterosexual and Christian. Otherwise you might be too busy starving in a concentration camp.
Ok. That’s the last time you lie about me.
It could be worse than a blank check. Quid pro quo all over again.
Biden and Harris was/is still finishing the job. Trump may have said it out loud, but it's happening right now.
Harris abandoned queers, brown people, and the entire progressive side of the party and needed to pay the consequences.
I hope those right wing votes they courted were worth their efforts
Ah, another new excuse to avoid any responsibility. "It doesn't matter that I didn't vote for Harris because it will be just as bad in Gaza either way."
Anything to help you sleep at night.
I voted for Harris. Most leftists I know also voted for Harris.
Doesn't mean we can't be critical. She took every wrong turn after getting handed the keys to the campaign. Including not supporting a ceasefire and cease of arms transfers until the last few days before the election.
Maybe if she would have advocated for that at the start, things would have turned out differently. But then again you can say that about many things her campaign did wrong.
This was her's and the establishment Dems' campaign to lose, and they did with flying colors.
No, the queer community, brown people, disabled people, etc will now pay the consequences. gg
This brown queer person says that Harris was the wrong person for the job, we have our own agency and don't need liberals to speak on our behalf. We're capable of speaking for ourselves. Many Brown queer people that I'm familiar with felt the same and voted accordingly
Well, they know who you are, and you better believe that you are on several of their lists. So hopefully you will be able to take solace in the fact that you "took the high road" during the last real election this country will ever have, when you're huddled up in some white person's basement, hiding from the government.
So brave of you to try and come white knight for us as our protector. What would we do without white CIS people to guide us?
Is that what you took away from that comment?
Learn some fucking history, because it's repeating.
If you can't even do the most basic thing to help push the tiniest bit to prevent the worst from happening to you, why would anyone else care?
None of that changes whether you will be among the primary groups to pay the consequences, which is all I said.
They were courting anyone from the political spectrum who was still a constitutionalist, lefties included, to unite against whatever trump's mood happens to be that day.