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Fascism is all the rage everywhere at the moment. Shit sucks. And the people in power are basically like, "we need minorities to murder"
I really hate that you’re right!
Almost seems like people left of center need to get armed up for the pending fascist purge.
I don't understand this viewpoint at all. Can guns help you against the US military? And even if they did, it would further drive the remaining the population to murder everything with more fervor. I think it's not as easy to say "arm up" when the government votes to start killing you, and orders the world's last military complex to go ahead and execute that order.
I understand @Frog's sentiment, as the actions of the right have moved into cartoon villain territory.
As someone on the left, I always turn away from violence when possible, so I completely understand your viewpoint as well.
But at the same time, there comes a point with fascists where rhetoric and politics won't serve to protect vulnerable populations from their violence. We've reached that point in America, where the police are actively engaged in supporting right-wing insurrectionists.
This is the point at which self-defense is justified, and you simply can't defend yourself against someone with a gun unless you have one yourself. Sadly, I'm speaking from experience here - been mugged a couple of times at gunpoint, and I've had family and friends assaulted because they're minorities and some MAGAT asshole was looking for someone to beat up.
Will the left violently overthrow the government if they arm up? No, nor could they. But having individual members armed and willing to defend themselves could prevent a lot of the abuse the right is currently getting away with. They're using militias to intimidate the left - it may be time to build some of our own to counterbalance the effect and protect our vulnerable members.
I suppose so, but in a practical sense they will make laws that will negate your existence and will have police and or military show up at your door to enforce it. There will be no use to have guns then, if they even notice a gun they'll probably just bomb your entire house like they did to black wall street. They give zero fucks.
You're right, but that won't stop the efficacy of arming the left.
The history of the Black Panthers and the subsequent gun control laws speak to that dynamic, and arming ourselves should never be a substitute for strong political action. That being said, there were a lot less lynchings after the Black Panther movement, even after the laws were passed. The impact of a black population being willing to defend itself was a powerful one that echoes forward to this day.
Ultimately what it comes down to is that as long as the right uses their 2nd amendment rights to threaten us, we're justified in using the same right to defend ourselves.
And you know what? The fascists are going to be a lot more willing to come to the table if they realize we've got AK's too. Given how the right thinks, they might even respect us more for it.
I don’t think you and I are considering the same enemy. I’m considering the guy down the street that has been collecting guns for 30+ years, goes shooting every weekend, and doesn’t like my left leaning perspective when I talk on Nextdoor with other neighbors. That guy might also be a member of DeSantis’s militia. If they are all armed, I want to be as well. They are the threat, not the police, not the actual military.
Can guns help against the US Military- Nope. The US Military isn’t the problem though. The fascists join militias and go out to private property to test their firearms and armor. The fascists recruit men with emotional issues that are financially struggling. The fascists recruit folks with absolutely nothing to lose. Firearms are to defend yourself against those people. If the US military wants to come after you, they’ll do it through other means and save everyone some bloodshed.
Well I see the Reddit Defeatist Brigade has migrated to Lemmy.
The US military isn't coming to your door, even though you're willing to give up. We're more worried about the local sharia law losers hiding under their big flags. And the more dangerous we can be to those people, the less likely they will start anything.
Have you seen the police acting as an extension of states blocking abortion and reporting people? Or police acting as a GOP mafia? Or police in general and their treatment of people? Why do you think they are armored up with humvees and military hardware? I mean I get it. I'm armed. But I want to understand this viewpoint deeply because I don't see this as anything other than a reason for them to simply firebomb us. I'm not saying to give up either.
If you want a revolution stack the military. Join the military. Or the police even. Mobilize voters. I honestly don't have a solution, it just seems like a facist society usually overwhelms everything because they have the government military/and or police.