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[-] communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 102 points 6 days ago
[-] ToastedPlanet 9 points 6 days ago

There are over 340 million people in this country. 70 million people isn't a majority. And not even all of those people are fascists.

[-] Lemming421@lemmy.world 111 points 6 days ago

If you vote for a fascist, you’re a fascist.

[-] Mac@mander.xyz 61 points 6 days ago

Also, if you fail to vote against a fascist... 😬

[-] ToastedPlanet 11 points 6 days ago

Only 64 million people and still counting voted for Harris. This strategy would have us turn against everyone else in the US and allow the fascists to outnumber us by our own hands. It is a useless strategy. Organizing with everyone we can against fascists is how we win. We outnumber them.

[-] lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

If only that were evident by the fucking people that showed up to vote.

[-] ToastedPlanet 4 points 6 days ago

It is. There are 340 million people in the US. 70 million and counting voted for Trump. 270 million people is greater than 70 million. And odds are fascists are still the minority in that group.

The number one issue polled for Republican voters was the economy. People bought the Fox News bullshit and now the economy is going to crash because of Trump's policies. Musk said as much.

https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/elon-musk-trump-hardship-austerity-taxes-rcna177732

[-] OwlPaste@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

The issue is the remaining millions don't actually care enough to vote. They are happy with anything.

[-] ToastedPlanet 2 points 6 days ago

They are unlikely to be happy with being murdered by fascists in death camps.

[-] OwlPaste@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Well they seem to be happy not to do anything about this...

[-] ToastedPlanet 1 points 6 days ago

I like to think most people will have a wake up moment between being rounded up in death camps and digging their own mass graves. We need to organize to tell them sooner than that so they can do something about it before it's too late.

[-] OwlPaste@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Donno, modern people seem to be content with whatever is happening around them. Last UK election we had fewer overall votes even though it's still important. So far it looks like US election had 18milliom fewer votes than last time...

I am distraught as to how people can care so little

[-] ToastedPlanet 1 points 6 days ago

It's the neoliberalism that tells people that they are at the end of history and their society's institutions are infallible.

I do not want to go quietly. I'm going be vocal and hope people are convinced.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

A large portion of that 340 million legally cannot vote. ~74 million are children.

[-] ToastedPlanet 1 points 6 days ago

340 - (74 million children + 70 million Trump voters + 68 million Harris Voters) = 128 million nonvoters, some of who are probably not eligible for one reason or another, so a conservative estimate of 100 million nonvoters

Regardless the worst case estimate from 2018 is 11 million people in the US are fascists. That's a good ball park number to work with anyway. The nonvoters outnumber the fascists almost ten to one.

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/10/17670992/study-white-americans-alt-right-racism-white-nationalists

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Fascists still won. This country deserves to burn to the ground.

[-] ToastedPlanet 3 points 6 days ago

Things don't deserve to get even worse because people let them get worse. This is why accelerationism is inherently a false promise, because no matter how bad things get accelerationists want to watch them get even worse. Accelerationism can't make things better because the only way to do that is to actively make them better.

It was never about stopping genocide because the US burning to the ground would involve the genocide of tens of millions of people and allow dictatorships to continue genocides and start new genocides all over the world.

It was never about leftism because now the far-right is in the position to prosecute their political rivals and send the armed forces after their ideological opposition.

It was never about helping anyone because now the Republicans can replace the government with MAGA loyalists and defund any social program that could have helped people.

It was about destroying a country that shattered their self-image as a good person. Accelerationists felt like they had blood on their hands by association of being a US citizen and they wanted revenge for the damage to their ego. They were duped. The scam was different but they contributed to the same fascist takeover as the Republican voters who had been duped by Fox News.

We have between now and the death camps to fix this. Start by learning this. We don't live in a moral universe, but a physics-based universe. Acting in a way that feels morally right isn't guaranteed to achieve the goal it is subjectively morally consistent with. But it is a way to be conned by people who will offer a way to absolve a person of their country's guilt.

[-] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

This. Fucking this. We can only win next time if we let them know now that they are terrible people who made terrible choices. That will definitely lead to victory.

[-] ToastedPlanet 14 points 6 days ago

Not everyone did so knowingly. There are people who did knowingly vote for fascists of course. But there are plenty of people who got brainwashed by Fox News. It's not useful to create millions of enemies when we already outnumber the fascists.

Fox News brainwashed my Grandma and Mom. They're both Jewish. My Grandmother didn't live to see this. She was the kindest person I've ever met. She would never hurt anyone.

My Mom's an asshole, but she's still my Mom and I lover her despite the fact she is brainwashed and misgenders me because my peace of mind makes her insecure. You think the fascists are going to care that she voted for them? As far as the fascists are concerned, she's one more person they get to kill.

[-] Lemming421@lemmy.world 29 points 6 days ago

“I didn’t think the leopards world eat my face”, cried person who voted for the Leopards Eating Faces Party

[-] ToastedPlanet 8 points 6 days ago

There's going to be a lot of that. It's important to remember no one deserves fascism and there is nothing anyone can do to deserve fascism. So even though some of these people, whose faces will be eaten, voted for fascists, they can one day still become allies.

[-] jawa21@startrek.website 20 points 6 days ago

I have to agree here. My father was a very well educated man. He has parts that he designed and manufactured by himself in the Smithsonian Aeronautical Museum, as well as parts that he designed and manufactured in the Hubble.

In the end, the fall of this intelligent man was Fox News. It is a brain worm. I loved him dearly, but the combination of conspiracy and hatred consumed him in the end. The last time I saw him, he asked to see his son. I will never recover from this.

[-] ToastedPlanet 6 points 6 days ago

I'm sorry that happened. Thank you for sharing. People need to hear stories like these.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

Yes, but how many are of voting age, though, and how many of those are eligible? 340 million includes everyone, including those who can't.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

161 million registered voters in 2024. ~140 million votes cast.

[-] ToastedPlanet 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The worst case estimate has it at 11 million people are fascists in the US. This is from 2018, but it gives a good ball park number for today. edit: 2018 not 2016

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/10/17670992/study-white-americans-alt-right-racism-white-nationalists

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