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[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Answer one simple question: Do you honestly believe Trump will be better for Palestinians?

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago

I believe the US is a white supremacist empire, founded on a settler colonial genocide, which is part of why it now supports another settler colonial genocide.

There will be no change to that in the current political system. It requires a fundamental political change, probably revolution, but certainly the dismantling of the current political parties to change that.

Maybe Trump will speed up the genocide of Palestinians, but the Democrats are equally committed to it, as they have thrown away every chance to end it, while taking every chance to perpetuate it.

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

So your floor here is "throw gas on the fire". Got it. You admit at best he'll be the same, and you're advocating for it. Your stance doesn't seem sane for someone who wants less pain and suffering.

[-] AmazingWizard@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

So what is your plan exactly? You want to vote for a genocider, giving them the one thing you have in exchange, your one bargaining chip? And then what, write a strongly worded letter? Or are you one of those libs that intends to go back to brunch having "Done your part" in voting for "The lesser evil" who will still genocide the Palestinians? Could you be one of those people who want to "be done with politics" so that it's "no longer in your face anymore"? You don't strike me as the "organize my workforce towards collective action centered around Gaza" type.

When you are making demands, you need leverage. The baseline leverage you have, is your vote. You've not leveraged a single thing.

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

You can put your vote behind one of them or a trash can. Of the three, which is most likely to be influenced to go the direction you want?

That's what voting is for.

[-] AmazingWizard@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

If you give me your vote unconditionally, then I have what I wanted and give up nothing in return. Even if you stand outside and shout at me after you gave me your vote, it still doesn't matter because you gave me what I wanted willingly with zero conditions. Clearly, my position on any topic is of no interest to you either, otherwise you would have tried to make a deal with me, but you didn't.

So how about this: You give me your vote, and I'll do whatever the fuck I want.

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