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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago

You fix that by pushing for ranked choice balloting, until then, it's your job to get the least objectionable person elected, which in this case is Harris.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 6 points 3 weeks ago

I agree with the first part, not the second however. This situation of voting for the least objectionable person led us to this kind of election. I want more progressives to demand progress and making it conditional to their vote instead of just accepting the least shitty option because the other one is a fascist dickhead. MAGA won't go away if Harris gets elected, even with a majority of the house and senate. Until America demands better than their politics will just continually slide to the right. Ranked choice balloting would be a major gamechanger, I just don't see it happening at all. Not with the current political climate.

[-] eupraxia 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Ballots aren't where effective political action happens. Demanding better means organizing outside of election years, maintaining strong communities, and showing up to participate in political action that isn't just ticking one of a few allowable boxes. Demanding better sometimes means just doing better, regardless of the state's involvement. That isn't directly applicable to, say, genocide, but it does help build a real base of support that allows people to work outside the system to further that progress between elections.

I'm voting for Harris because I would much rather organize under her administration than Trump's. It's a dead simple choice imo, because demanding better means doing the work every other day than Election Day.

and definitely pay more attention to your local elections, those will more directly impact you and the people around you.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Fully agree. I wish more people actually voted uncommitted in the primaries for reasons such as this. To show that American voters want a progressive, not a moderate of an extreme far right fascist.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

There was a democratic primary this presidential election?

[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

That. Doesn't. Work.

Full stop.

Let's say for a moment that progressives and Democrats did that for whatever issue they personally felt strongly about.

First, we have to acknowledge that the Republicans ARE NOT doing that. So they're vote count doesn't change and they win

Second, people will disagree on the same issue. You can't capture everyone on every issue. Refer to the first point, Republicans win.

Third, there will be huge factions each with their own issue. A candidate cannot sway all these single issues groups. See the first point, Republicans win.

What first past the post representative democracy means is to vote for the viable politician that MOST ALIGNS with your political position. Not the one that EXACTLY aligns. If you build the third parties at the local and representative and Senate level. Maybe you can get there, but for now, this is the political system we have to work in.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

I don't disagree with anything you just said. I'm just saying that an argument for a candidate on an issue should be a lot better than "better than Trump". It's a ridiculously low bar America has been forced to accept, and by extension the world.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

Alright buddy, go to your safe little bubble.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Why do people feel the need to publicly announce blocks?

Block me as well. Don't forget to reply to this comment that you blocked me, as is tradition.

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