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More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

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[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 16 points 4 weeks ago

I don't want to continue this conversation. You are lying.

Read the letter. It says more eloquently than I could, what is the massive difference between "everyday Palestinians demanding the end of genocide [weapons for which are supplied by] the Biden-Harris administration," which of course makes perfect sense and is something I wholeheartedly support, after the important edit I've made on your behalf, versus everyday Palestinians who are okay with the utter disaster even beyond the present unspeakable disaster, that would be Trump coming to power.

I looked up some polls, I looked up who are some of the people on this list and their background. You're wrong, and lying. I don't even need to speak on it, because as a non-Palestinian I don't have the authority on it that the people who already wrote a letter for you do. It's already been said.

If you want to keep talking to me, let's talk about: Is genocide in Xinjiang a red line?

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 weeks ago

I don't want to continue this conversation.

Then why write 3 more paragraphs?

You are lying.

Ah yes, unjustified accusations of lying. Great.

Read the letter.

I read it yesterday and have already critiqued it several times.

It says more eloquently than I could, what is the massive difference between "everyday Palestinians demanding the end of genocide [weapons for which are supplied by] the Biden-Harris administration," which of course makes perfect sense and is something I wholeheartedly support, after the important edit I've made on your behalf,

Rather than playing around editing my quotes, why not just be direct and honest? It sounds like you are trying to say you don't think the Biden-Harris regime is committing genocide and that it should be more restrictiveky stated as " supplying weapons". Unfortunately, this would be both false and misleading.

The US does not merely "supply weapons", it donates them. Israel is wholly dependent on the US for these weapons. The genocide could not happen without them and all parties know this. In the middle of genocide, the Biden-Harris regime continues to provide unrestricted weapons to Israel, including bypassing Congress to ensure that there is no pause or lack of stockpiles.

And of course, providing weapons is not the beginning or end of US support for the genocide. It is an effort to list the many different ways. The US provides logistical support to Israel, including military support. That "aid" pier? It was used as part of the "rescue operation" for a handful of Israelis where hundreds of Palestinians were killed. Israeli bombing intel? The US is flying P8 Poseidons all over the regikn, particularly Lebanon, and shares satellitr imagery on a constant basis. The Houthis standing in solidarity with Palestine? The US ramps up its own genocidal campaign against them (remember Yemeni kids?) and thank God they are failing. The US is sending not just THAAD batteries, but personnel to run them. The US strongarms support for Israel as best it can and threatens those who work against the genocide in Gaza. They immediately started a campaign against South Africa once they brought allegations to the ICJ. The US continues to make direct and substantial monetary donations to the Israeli state. Domestically, the US cracks down on protests against the genocide. They send cops to intimidate and beat us (funded by Biden!), university administrations funded by the feds expel and deport students. The Biden-Harris administration just designated Samidoun a terrorist organization. Samidoun organizes orisoner support and Gaza solidarity peotests around the country. While Samidoun denies the allegation, the claim is that they support the PFLP, which is a resistance organization similar to the ANC, which the US labeled, along with its member Joseph Mandela, a terrorist organization.

Please understand that you have much to learn on this topic. And when you have much to learn, I think the bare minimum is that you, by default, oppose genocide.

versus everyday Palestinians who are okay with the utter disaster even beyond the present unspeakable disaster, that would be Trump coming to power.

The heads of NGOs and party insiders are not "everyday", that is obviously my point. It is conspicuous that this is their list.

I looked up some polls, I looked up who are some of the people on this list and their background. You're wrong, and lying. I don't even need to speak on it,

It is generally good practice to support accusations of lying and incorrectness with a rationale, maybe even evidence.

because as a non-Palestinian I don't have the authority on it that the people who already wrote a letter for you do. It's already been said.

I don't remember seeing, "TheOubliette is lying and wrong" in that letter. Maybe you can point me to which line it is on?

But please, don't tokenize Palestinians. You have a responsibility to be against genocide yourself, to become informed and not lash out. You cannot rely on any Palestinian to do this for you, let alone allow yourself to be manipulated by a list of party insiders and NGO heads. Be among the people. Read the history. Understand the violence.

If you want to keep talking to me, let's talk about: Is genocide in Xinjiang a red line?

I will gladly discuss this in a different thread but I have decided that this would be a distraction in this one. Please center the genocide of Palestine with your words and actions.

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