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My god, more excuses.
No need to reply to my one sentence comment pointing out the same problem were arguing here. Just answer the comment above yours.
Sure. I've read everything you have told me to read except that long PDF, which I am guessing you also did not read.
Nothing you have pasted, nothing in those studies tell me where the chart got its cannabis mortality figures from or how they calculate them.
That is all I have asked for from the beginning. You can get angry about it, you can paste as much as you like, but none of it tells me where that chart got its information on cannabis mortality.
Because, and this has been true since the beginning, you have no idea.
So you haven't read them. And still with this inane sealioning, purposefully ignoring what I keep repeating.
You know smoking is the most popular way of using cannabis. You know smoking causes cancers. You also know these mortality figures have "drug-related" mortality in them, and that is specifically said to be from, among other things, lung cancer.
So stomp your foot all your want but you are wrong and this childish bullshit is making you lose a whole lot of respect you've gained on Lemmy.
Fig 1
(I won't list the rest of the panel because no relation to the matter at hand and you can still look it up yourself, which you've been lying about.)
So just like I've said FROM THE START, the mortality comes from drug-related disease, like lung cancer, and drug-specific mortality comes from dying in a car crash with the coroner reporting cannabis AMONG other substances, which will still make it count towards the stat, while not having had an effect on the crash compared to the others. But no. You sit there claiming that I haven't understood and that these studies somehow claim that people are dying of cannabis-overdoses. Which you've asked explicitly several times over, despite me trying to explain this to you in the simplest way possible.
Okay, I'm tired of the insults and I've never seen anyone go so far to avoid saying, "I don't know the source of those numbers on one specific chart," as if that is the same as saying "there is no such thing as a death that involves cannabis use," something I've never even implied.
But you'll have to find someone else to violate the civility rule with repeatedly now.
Don't worry, I won't report you for it. Not this time.
P.S. It's okay to say you don't know things. It's not a sign of weakness. I promise you.
I'm literally showing you the very source of the statistics. Which you're just refusing to accept, because presumably you're incapable of going "oh, my mistake, I was wrong."
That's the scientists explaining — in detail — how the data was collected and where from. I also went into the sources of that study. Did you actually log into the Lancet and read the article, or open, see you need an account and go "oh whatever"?
You've several times now, asked "do you know the LD50 of cannabis" and "how exactly is cannabis killing people". Straight up refusing to accept that I've explained in detail the difference between drug related and drug specific mortality and how both stats can have things in them without anyone having claimed that a person died of too much cannabis in their system.
Why do you keep ignoring the fact that people SMOKE cannabis and smoking causes a higher mortality rate? I said that before reading the studies, but now that I have done they also explicitly state that, like I KNEW they would.
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=50ba3efb0204557af6b762141f94c9a68cb9e291
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Robert-Gable/publication/14984972_Toward_a_Comparative_Overview_of_Dependence_Potential_and_Acute_Toxicity_of_Psychoactive_Substances_Used_Nonmedically/links/557613d908aeb6d8c01aea8d/Toward-a-Comparative-Overview-of-Dependence-Potential-and-Acute-Toxicity-of-Psychoactive-Substances-Used-Nonmedically.pdf
Both of these quantify deaths from cannabis, but explicitly state the actual LD50 to be unknown, as there's fewer than three reports of people having died and those can't be ascertained to be because of cannabis. So they get the LD50 from animals and extrapolate it to humans based on fancy maths. And explicitly state that. Both of them give substances safety ratings. The rating for heroin is 6. Alcohol 10. MDMA 16. The study concludes that they show that MDMA's dangers have been exaggerated, and it's inline with cocaine and meth etc. The number for cannabis, you're asking? They rate it as >1000.
No-one is claiming people are dying of cannabis overdoses, and now that we're this deep in this thread, there's no way you're gonna back on that childish assumption. So I await more bullshit sealioning and excuses despite me linking the methods and sources of all the fucking data from the economist article that you pretend you were too incapable of Googling yourself.
Like what more can you want then the sources for all citations in that study, and the study explaining this in length:
You want the individual data points from all the related studies? All the names and addresses of the people who died and their coroners reports? That's not how science works, ffs
I've explained in detail and with the actual data where the mortality figures come from. You can't accept it, because it would mean admitting to how silly you were. Like a teenager who's just discovered cannabis; "you can't die of cannabis, this study is fake news!"
Everyone here can see that you're avoiding answering whether you even logged in to the Lancet to read the study. You didn't. People here can also see that you're STILL IGNORING THE THING IVE REPEATED DOZENS OF TIMES; smoking is a popular way of using cannabis and smoking causes cancer.
Anyone reading this will see just how childish you're being.
It's okay that you were ignorant and completely wrong. It's not a sign of weakness, I promise you. However, childish trying to pretend you didn't make a mistake? Acting like a toddler, because you can't admit to having lost an argument? That is a sign of weakness.
I'm literally showing you the very source of the statistics. Which you're just refusing to accept, because presumably you're incapable of going "oh, my mistake, I was wrong."
That's the scientists explaining — in detail — how the data was collected and where from. I also went into the sources of that study. Did you actually log into the Lancet and read the article, or open, see you need an account and go "oh whatever"?
You've several times now, asked "do you know the LD50 of cannabis" and "how exactly is cannabis killing people". Straight up refusing to accept that I've explained in detail the difference between drug related and drug specific mortality and how both stats can have things in them without anyone having claimed that a person died of too much cannabis in their system.
Why do you keep ignoring the fact that people SMOKE cannabis and smoking causes a higher mortality rate? I said that before reading the studies, but now that I have done they also explicitly state that, like I KNEW they would.
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&doi=50ba3efb0204557af6b762141f94c9a68cb9e291
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Robert-Gable/publication/14984972_Toward_a_Comparative_Overview_of_Dependence_Potential_and_Acute_Toxicity_of_Psychoactive_Substances_Used_Nonmedically/links/557613d908aeb6d8c01aea8d/Toward-a-Comparative-Overview-of-Dependence-Potential-and-Acute-Toxicity-of-Psychoactive-Substances-Used-Nonmedically.pdf
Both of these quantify deaths from cannabis, but explicitly state the actual LD50 to be unknown, as there's fewer than three reports of people having died and those can't be ascertained to be because of cannabis. So they get the LD50 from animals and extrapolate it to humans based on fancy maths. And explicitly state that. Both of them give substances safety ratings. The rating for heroin is 6. Alcohol 10. MDMA 16. The study concludes that they show that MDMA's dangers have been exaggerated, and it's inline with cocaine and meth etc. The number for cannabis, you're asking? They rate it as >1000.
No-one is claiming people are dying of cannabis overdoses, and now that we're this deep in this thread, there's no way you're gonna back on that childish assumption. So I await more bullshit sealioning and excuses despite me linking the methods and sources of all the fucking data from the economist article that you pretend you were too incapable of Googling yourself.
Like what more can you want then the sources for all citations in that study, and the study explaining this in length:
You want the individual data points from all the related studies? All the names and addresses of the people who died and their coroners reports? That's not how science works, ffs