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[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 months ago

I think "exploitation" is the wrong word to be used. I'm not vegan, so I really have no bearing on this, but exploitation doesn't equal harm.

This post for example is about bees. They're being exploited (in that we're using them to get resources), but is it harmful? I have trouble saying yes. It seems somewhat ideal for them. They get to go about their lives like normal, though usually in a place with a lot of flowering plants, and they get taken care of. Occasionally honey is gathered from them, but this doesn't actually harm any bees.

I think vegans follow dogma too much. They should consider their reasons for themselves, and consider what food sources fall into that. The dogma is useful for quick communication and sharing of information, but I would suspect honey farming is a lot better for the living things involved than even a lot of plant farming, which requires large swathes of land to be dedicated to farming, which certainly isn't good for native species and arguably plants can feel too.

[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

The harm side comes in multiple forms:

Harm to the animals; by removing their nutrient dense food source, and feeding them sugar water in its place, impacting colony health

Harm to the ecosystem; by mass producing honey bees we are choking out other pollinators, and the selective breeding for honey bees prioritizes output and makes colonies more susceptible to disease and collapse.

Even if you feel like the bees we're farming lead a good life, that life comes at a cost of other species - we are choosing a winner in the food web in a way that could be done less harmful for similar end result (i.e., plant sugars / syrups). Much of veganism is about harm reduction.

Knowing the importance of pollinators to our food supply, as a vegan I would probably not have much of an issue with pollinator farming if there goal was maintaining biodiversity, instead of min-maxing profit.