Ukrainian men dragged away outside Kyiv nightclubs and restaurants by army recruiters (www.independent.co.uk)

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[-] anachronist@midwest.social 24 points 23 hours ago

You're finally admitting that the Russian invasion is murder?

[-] coolusername@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 hours ago

They were trying to prevent the slaughter of ethnic Russians in the independent republics. Also stop the continual acts of terrorism coming from the CIA controlled SBU (there's a NYT article about this subject FYI)

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 16 points 23 hours ago

I'm talking about the murder of people who are being gang pressed into fighting by the fascist regime the west installed and people like you support.

[-] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 16 points 23 hours ago

Isn't umm fighting against invasion is required by law for most countries?

[-] wellfill@lemmy.ml 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Let's not forget that most countries also have constitutions. The citizens constitutional rights cannot be overshadowed by draft. Therefore forcible totalitarian draft is not legal. Here it's problematic because sovereign legal institutions are non existent in Ukraine and lets admit that in many states legal institutions would crumble when defending citizens rights against violent governments.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 22 hours ago

Weird way to justify people being forced to fight into something they clearly don't believe in or have any interest defending.

[-] Name@feddit.nu 5 points 22 hours ago

Sadly law isn't arbitrary

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 12 points 21 hours ago

law has nothing to do with morality

[-] Name@feddit.nu 4 points 20 hours ago

That's wildly incorrect lol

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 19 hours ago

So according to your galaxy brain logic slavery war moral when it was legal in US?

[-] Name@feddit.nu 4 points 19 hours ago

No what? What leaps did your galaxy brain take there?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 19 hours ago

I said that law has nothing to do with morality, and you claimed that is wildly incorrect. So, I gave you a clear example of a law that's directly at odds with morality. What part of that are you struggling to comprehend there?

[-] Name@feddit.nu 4 points 19 hours ago

:S laws can be unmoral as well, yes? What do you not comprehend about laws being based on morality? Most laws, to specify for you so you don't need to take that turn.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 19 hours ago

Again, laws are not a source of morality and whether something is legal or not has no impact on whether it's moral, so your justification of conscription as being legal is nonsensical. Hope that clears things up for you.

[-] Name@feddit.nu 6 points 19 hours ago

To clear things up for you, you stated that laws had nothing to do with morality, and that is false as previously seen.

But I do agree that laws might not be a source of morality, even if some laws aim to alter how people view certain matters.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 19 hours ago

It's like you can't understand the concept of thing being tangential. Laws can align with morality or not, but morality is not derived from laws. Nor do laws have to be derived from morality.