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Biden said to call Netanyahu 'a f**king liar' after Israeli troops entered Rafah | The Times of Israel
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Israel is going to impose "penalties" on the US? Are you high?
What do you think happens when America stops supplying Israel? Think they’ll just stop attacking Palestine?? They’ve already said that don’t really need America chipping in. And they don’t.
So… when America just- stops sending them arms, the next bidder steps in. That’s what happens.
And that’s going to be either China or Russia. And they wont have any restrictions like America does. (And before you say “what restrictions” I’d urge you to try and understand what’s involved in the pact). Russia and or China will absolutely allow them to decimate Palestine. And even help if necessary.
And if America doesn’t end up going to war with them over this, guess, who they’re all most likely turning their sights on once Palestine becomes a gravel pit?
This is just ONE example. There are MANY others. Pay attention when the experts on the sublet discuss this. You’ll learn something just as I did.
And lastly…. What could be done, at best, is America might be able to leverage additional conditions. And if you’ve been paying attention- they’ve been trying to do just that this entire time.
Again- nuance. Understand it.
lol, holy shit
Man… I’m really done wasting my time trying to explain simple concepts to far leftists. What a fucking waste of time.
You really think China and Russia would give billions of free weapons to Israel?
I really think they’d go to someone, and negotiates would ensue. I can’t predict the outcome because I’m not an idiot that makes assumptions.
And again, I am not the one making these decisions. I’m simply offering an example of how it would be incredibly difficult to just simply- stop.
Which is more than anyone that’s countering the argument.
“It’s so easy! Just stop sending weapons! Break a trade agreement! No consequences at all because Israel is so well know as a nice and understanding nation!”
Genuinely, who in the world has the capacity to give the level of aid the US gives to Israel. You say they would go to someone and don't want to predict who it would be, then give a list. What countries would be able and remotely willing to even a 10th of what the US gives to Israel?
I don’t get to make that assumption. The point you’re missing here is that it’s COMPLICATED. I gave a simple example of what might stall the “simple” decision to do as the leftists think would be so easy. (Bad auto-correct decision here, hope it fixed before read)
They’ve come up with zero ideas or concepts of how it can be done, but my feet are held to the fire to illustrate why it’s complicated?
That’s where we are now.
Armchair geopolitical edgelords on the internet get to claim simplicity in ending trade policies, whereas someone who suggest it isn’t that easy is held to the task to explain it to people that are just going to brush it off with ad hominem attacks nay say.
I’m done dude. I said what I felt needed be said. I’m not here to change kids as that’s fucking impossible. I knew this before I started and did it anyway.
You cannot reason with a leftist.
I’m just going to point and laugh from now on like everyone else does.
The point is you can say "it's complicated" about anything in the real world, yet things still happen. So the question, I'm still asking:
If the group that is currently giving all the of weapons used stopped, where else could their weapons come from? What are some possibilities that would be even remotely close? And if at the end of all the considerations it's a drastic reduction in how much violence they can do, or their ability to expand their violence in the region, isn't that still better?
So because someone doesn’t have all the answers to a hypothetical question, it’s full steam ahead with whatever the hive mind thinks should happen despite their ignorance on the topic?
I’m on the side with the leading experts that suggest that it’s not an easy thing to do, and it isn’t simplified just because it’s the right thing to do. You’re on the side of fellow internet randoms that disagree with the experts.
I am not asking for all the answers, I am asking where could they get a fraction of the support they currently have?
I will grant you some things are complicated. "How do we get enough bombs to commit genocide" is a complicated question, and Israel currently has a single and seemingly endless answer in the US. So the one question I continue to have is where else would they go to replace what the US does for them? If it would make it more difficult and reduce the ability to commit a genocide, isn't that better?
I find it interesting that you were so confident before saying 'they would just go to China or Russia', but instantly fall to nebulous "negotiations would ensue" and cries of the complicated nature when getting any push back.
The lone question you still seem so adverse to considering: If they didn't get billions in bombs from the US, how else could Israel do this? Because you seem to believe with such certainty they could.
I am still confident that they would go to china and/or Russia. I’m just not foolish enough to base an entire argument on something that I hold a strong opinion on. It was an EXAMPLE of what makes it complicated.
Israel is hell-bent on this. If the US backs out, someone else will fill in that gap. This is experts saying this. This is THEIR concern. I just happen to agree with it. Unless you’re part of an administration that works in geopolitics and international diplomacy, back off the armchair simplification of it all.
And before you think to call me out for refusing to answer- know that I have explained myself time after time ALL FUCKING MORNING to everyone that has challenged my statements.
Yet… Not a single one of you have explained a plan that illustrates how easy it is to just break the agreement. And the few that tried- failed to issue any statement on how to deal with the repercussions of breaking those agreements.
This is how it is here. Put people on the defensive, so you never have to own your own points. Because when challenged to explain their side with logic, the left has nothing.
Now I’m done with this discussion. I’ve been on the ropes the entire time, and even after explanation after explanation- you’re all still coming at me to define my stance.
I have. Thoroughly.
Who is "this expert?"
The idea that China and Russia have such a great interest in the state of Israel that the would collectively give even half of what the US gives is utterly insane. You're being challenged because what your saying is nonsense. Again, even if they could cobble together enough support to find trade deals would pale in to what the US gives for free. The idea that the commitments the US has to Israel are so ironclad that we have to keep sending more bombs to a state committing genocide, shows how absurd your view is.
It's clear you have some significant cognitive dissidence over the reality of what the US is doing to aid an active genocide by a rogue state that committing acts of terror and escalating tensions in an unstable region. With that you've picked some number of experts that support your delusion, and harp on how impossible it would be to stop, on how they would find some other way. There is nothing that would be comparable to what the US gives to Israel, and the US has no obligation to give weapons to those committing war crimes. Stop lying to yourself and admit that this blood is on America's hands.
So, I pretty clearly said:
“I’m done with this discussion.”
Now… for my own edification, could you point to what part of that you’re having difficulty understanding? I’d like to know for future reference how to be more clear to people that wish to rewrite my statements and simultaneously think I won’t notice
It’s insulting.
I suppose my difficulty is in understanding why you're still replying and/or not blocking me. You have no obligation to reply, I am not obliged to ignore yours because you've said you're done. I still have yet to have a meaningful answer from you, so I continue to ask; if not freely given by America, how would Israel get hundreds of billions of dollars in bombs?
Aah.. so it seems you lack the responsibly for your own actions to the point where you just ignore the impulse to continue a discussion when people tell you they’re done, thereby making the onus entirely on them to shut you up?
It’s good to know that I was right in my assumption that you appear to lack the maturity to continue this conversation.
I generally don’t like blocking people because I think it’s a pretty immature response to what should be a mature discussion between two adults, but I’m going to make an exception in your case.
You know… since you asked.
Insulting me won't change what the US does and it seems like you still struggle with the actual question. How do you justify the US continuing to send bombs to Israel to enact a genocide?