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Strategists admit West is goading China into war
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Sorry to hear you only consume US state approved propaganda.
Why on earth would you assume I consume US media, let alone what kind of US media I allegedly consume? Unlike you I actually was born and grew up in a dictatorship with actual state approved media. Your stupid comment is an insult to the victims of dictatorships everywhere.
It's yog- he's 100% a propagandist across multiple platforms. Whatever he posts you can safely assume is pure propaganda and only tangentially related to reality.
I grew up in USSR, and a lot of numbskulls called it a dictatorship.
How were those free and fair elections in the USSR?
A lot better than in western shithole countries.
Always shocked to see how debilitating of a mental illness tankie brain is
Amazing counter point you got there.
You should re read your own comment that I'm responding to. You weren't exactly making a point, lmfao. Truly mental illness bruv
Nah, I made my point quite clearly bruv.
Ah, well, then my thought-out counter point is that the elections in the eastern shithole countries were worse :)
A lot of people who actually live there seem to disagree with you, and say things got a lot worse for them once they got to experience enlightened western democracy. Obviously we should take your word for it though, since you've clearly shown yourself to be a knowledgeable intellectual in this thread.
Typical yog- posts a bunch of articles from a decade ago as if they are still relevant- fails to read the next page that completely discredits his argument and/or posts from an obviously biased source e. Lol. Dismiss and move along- nothing to see here... again.
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Here is the projection. When faced with your own methods you are quick to point out the bad faith which you yourself have systematically applied in every single comment in this very thread.
I'm speechless.
Maybe educate yourself on the subject then. A democracy is a government that works in the interest of the majority and is held accountable to the people of the country. A government like that would ensure that everybody had food, housing, healthcare, education, jobs, and retirement the way USSR did and the way none of western "democracies" seem to be able to.
This is such a disengenuous statement dripping with derision. Honestly trotting out this glib phrase is a clear declaration that you're not interested in a good faith discussion.
The vast majority of people in "shithole western countries" would say that this is true of their government. I'm not sure that's true for people living in the USSR.
We have all of those things. Sure they're not directly provided by the government, but the government develops legislation to ensure that the overwhelming majority of citizens have great access to those things. The idea of a food shortage in Australia is unheard of. Was that true of the USSR?
You are really delusional and a liar. I do not believe for one second you grew up in the USSR, not one nano second. If you were present during that that period you would have noticed that these proud USSR population did not walk but ran towards the west and all the things they really wanted. Not what USSR barely could provide (remember the lines before shops? No you don't, you were not there) but what the west could and would provide. You casually forgot that. Well, you could not forget little liar as you lied about being alive and present in that period.
I was and I call you out: liar!
You can't believe that I grew up in USSR and actually liked my life there because you're smooth brained victim of western propaganda. And when you're faced with people who actually lived in USSR and liked it, you're incapable of processing this information. Meanwhile, you can stop calling me a liar, cause I still even have my original USSR passport. Learn to deal with it troll.
You can keep calling me whatever you like, but anybody reading this thread can clearly see that you're just insane.
Feel free to go back. Nobody wants you outside of there anyway
Nice photoshop lol.
And here is the whataboutism. Instead of replying to the question you attempt to deflect by pointing fingers. Again, typical of your bad faith behaviour.
Very on the nose for you to use a logical fallacy as a form of argument. Comparing democracy in USSR to the available alternatives is precisely how you determine the quality of the democracy.
Blablabla- more lies.
Out of curiosity, was your dictator put there in a coup supported by the US?
I don't look for you, but you're never far away.
This is another example of you being glib and acting like you know a person and their failings with profoundly little evidence.
If you want to be taken seriously at all, work on being able to draw clear conclusions from a body of evidence and then be able to use rhetoric well.
You know you could have replied with the exact same reply to the parent comment, yet you chose to reply to this one. Curious.
I don't see them being glib on every 10th thread I click through.
That distinction is entirely yours.
Get out of here with that strawman. None of the comments you replied to implied anything of the sort. It is very typical of your bad faith MO though.
You should learn what a straw man is if you're going to use the term to try and sound clever.
Ahh the old whataboutisms come out.
Screeching whataboutism is a really round about way to tell us that you've got nothing meaningful to say.
Ok.
Let’s be real about this for a second.
You are implying that the media in the US is as state controlled and state supporting as the media in China and therefore that neither is more true than the other, merely a viewpoint. Is that actually what you’re saying?
I mean entire books have been written on the subject of how US oligarchs who own the government use the media to manipulate public opinion. Here are a couple you should read
And the fact that the state in US is firmly in the hands of the oligarchs is made pretty clear by a study analyzing many decades of US policy
The fact that you don't even recognize the propaganda you're being subjected to further underscores how effective it is.
I don’t read very much US news. A bit of WP and occasionally CNN, but it’s certainly not where I get my news from. I don’t live in the US FWIW.
You still haven’t answered my question: Do you believe that the US press and the Chinese press is both lying to the same extent? Do you believe the US and Chinese press are in service of the state to the same extent?
I’m not disputing the press is influenced in the US. You keep speaking in absolutes though … I’m speaking about degrees. So let’s compare degrees, instead of saying “influenced” or “free” as some absolute binary measures.
If you live in the west then exact same dynamics apply. The media is owned by the oligarchs, and much of the media in all the western sphere is dominated by US.
And to answer your question it's clear to anybody who follows news that US press lies to a far greater extent. The whole notion that privately owned press in the hands of the oligarchs is somehow more objective than government owned press has no basis in logic or reality.
I'm also not speaking in any absolutes, I'm simply telling you that objectively speaking there is plenty of evidence that western press regularly engages in outright misinformation and lies. Chinese press has a bias, because any press has a bias, but I've yet to see it spread conspiracy theories like Russiagate. This is a perfect example of a huge misinformation campaign orchestrated by western media that has been thoroughly debunked, yet large portion of western public still believes it and regurgitates it today. That's just one example.
We must live in two different worlds. If your view is that the Chinese media is more objective than the US media, I simply don’t think we have a basis for finding any consensus. I no longer know what to say. Have a good day and wish you the best.
I get that it's hard for people in the west to see the brainwashing they're exposed to because you swim in it since the day you're born, it becomes the natural medium. However, for somebody who grew out outside the west this is very transparent. I grew up in USSR, and then my family eventually moved to the west after the collapse. I was absolutely shocked to see the nonsense people believed about USSR. People who never set foot in USSR would argue with me about my lived experience as if they knew better. This is the strength of western propaganda machine.
I'm pretty sure I've told you this before but not all of us that grew up in the USSR had the same experiences as you did. Mine were far less positive.
"Nationalistic bubbles" exist both ways.
You can find people who are unhappy in every human society, that's not the gotcha you seem to think it is. The question is whether a society is able to provide a decent life for the majority of the people. Given the horrors we are seeing after the collapse of USSR, I think the answer to which system is better is pretty clear.