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Eh. I disagree, but I can take my lumps.
Good on ya for respecting mods, but bruh, not everyone here who is not voting for harris, is paid to post by someone. Actually about half of the country isn't voting for Harris. And they're not getting paid to dislike her.
That's true. But...
We know there is an extensive campaign by the Russian government to divide the left and attempt to get Trump re-elected. And given the nature of our current electoral system, there are only a few reasons why someone would try to get people not to vote for Harris:
I mean that. I think the majority of people playing that particular game are paid to. Doesn't mean they all are, of course, but it's impossible to ignore the massive uptick in content from them right now, especially from shiny new accounts and from accounts that have been mostly inactive until now. There just aren't that many third-party true believers or Republicans who want to spend all day, every day, pretending to be abrasive leftists.
Me and most of the people in my social circle. Look at the campaigns of socialist Claudia De la Cruz and the crowds of people showing up at her demonstrations. You think most of those people are getting paid?
And how do you think people just magically get paid to start posting articles? The reason I am asking is because I get accused of this DAILY. lol
That's a statistically insignificant blip unless your social circle is, for example, Delaware.
No, of course not. I was referring specifically to online, where a single person can operate thousands of bots spamming nonsense. You can't do something like that at a physical event.
That said, her rallies attract hundreds of people at best. Harris' rallies attract tens of thousands of people, with thousands more standing outside. And De la Cruz is polling in the low single digits. She's barely a statistical blip. Yet online forums are absolutely flooded with support for her and for Jill Stein.
And I know people like myself get accused of getting paid daily. And why? Because we post news articles about third parties. Not everything is a conspiracy.
And also, to your point, if these third parties are such a statistical blip, then you have nothing to be worried or angry about. So why even get mad at posts that aren't pro-harris?! Such small statistical blips shouldn't affect the outcome of the election at all, right?
You know why people accuse you of that and that you're lying about it here.
I'm not mad at posts from actual people, which I do think you are. You've engaged in ways that thoroughly convince me you're not a bot or troll. I happen to disagree with you, but that's okay.
I can accept that, brother. We'll agree to disagree. Which I think is fine. :)
What about new accounts posting pro-democrat articles. Are they agents of the democratic party being paid to post articles too?
Given the much greater size of the population that plans to vote Democrat, not likely.
Let's take this out of the realm of politics for a sec, and bring up a topic nearly everyone can agree on: Chocolate. A full 90% of Americans like chocolate and prefer it to other candy categories. (Seriously, look it up. Americans fucking love chocolate.) Now imagine if you went to a candy discussion forum, and found that there was a flood of similarly-phrased and comments from a bunch of new accounts, all extolling the virtues of gummy bears and denigrating chocolate as a candy choice.
Would you find that believable? Or would you suspect some gummy bear aficionado had set up bots to spam the forum?
But is everything a fucking conspiracy?! I mean, a full HALF of the country is not voting for Harris. Half.
Are there some people paid to promote? Yeah, I'm sure there are. For EVERY party. I just don't think it's nearly as much as you do.
Also, it would be a total fucking waste of money to pay someone to shill on Lemmy. Lemmy hates third-parties with a passion anyway.
People hate me so much, that when I have posted non-political posts to say a science community, within 30 seconds there will be 10 downvotes. And not from the science community, because even they get confused why so many downvotes so fast.
Why? My name. And why? Because I posted third-party articles.
I'm very proud to vote third-party, but the amount of bullying and false accusations I get from Democrats are much more hateful than what I get from Republicans. I mean, Republicans hate me too, but nothing like the Democrats on Lemmy. lmao
And I promise you, any slight motivation I had for even considering switching to Democrat, was obliterated by the comments and hate I get here. I'll never vote for Harris now. I don't care what happens. lol
I don't hate you. I think you're incredibly naive, and I think you've likely inadvertently consumed Russian propaganda specifically designed to split the left in the United States, but that doesn't make me hate you.
It just makes me sad.
I have a couple kids, as I mentioned, both LGBTQ+. People like you, I don't think you intend my kids harm. But your vote will potentially boost Donald Trump. And your rhetoric online, if successful, would further boost Donald Trump. And Trump is a direct threat to my kids.
So no, I don't hate you. But I'm scared of what you and people like you could do to my kids in the name of ideological purity.
But half of the country is not voting for Harris. Not everyone is under the influence of Russian propaganda. Lots of people just have a different opinion.
I'm going to blow your mind:
https://www.prri.org/press-release/new-prri-report-reveals-nearly-one-in-five-americans-and-one-in-four-republicans-still-believe-in-qanon-conspiracy-theories/
It's certainly not half the country, but a shockingly, disturbingly large portion of the Republican electorate fell for "QAnon" junk being spread largely by Russian sources posing as conservatives. The left is far less susceptible to outright propaganda tactics like that, but Russia is pushing for division extremely hard.
And from how many people here who think that every single poster who isn't voting for Harris, is some paid russian agent, it seems like a pretty big chunk of the Democrat electorate is gullible and paranoid too.
You need to account for sampling bias. This is a forum that strongly attracts a self-selecting group comprised almost entirely of those on the left. Very few Republicans actually find their way here, and the few that do are typically downvoted into oblivion.
At the same time, there's a flood of supposedly leftist accounts, most new, trying desperately to get Trump elected, at the same time as news comes out that... well, that Russia is doing an awful lot of that shit.
So people here are suspicious.
So then why would Russian lackey's come and post in a forum where they know no one will change their minds?
So actually your argument proves to me that they are not Russians trying to turn the vote. I get accused of being Russian, every single day here. lol
I thought that would be obvious. Again, this is a self-selecting group of lefty folks. If someone works in one of Russia's troll farms, and their job today is to try to divide the left, then they're gonna go to where the left hangs out.
If someone like that shows up shouting, "Trump 2024! MAGA!" then they're not going to make any headway. Like I said, Republicans here tend to get downvoted into oblivion.
So instead, they show up and go, "I'm a lefty, too. Very left. In fact, I'm so leftilicious that I hate Harris. Don't vote for Harris, she's just like the Republicans! Instead, vote for [INSERT CANDIDATE WITH NO CHANCE OF WINNING]! Because believe me, [INSERT CANDIDATE WITH NO CHANCE OF WINNING] is much, much better! Be ideologically pure! And whatever you do, don't worry about Donald Trump becoming president, because I'm sure that with enough of us voting for them, [INSERT CANDIDATE WITH NO CHANCE OF WINNING] will totes win!"
Liberals are so desperate to smear anything that's a threat to their privilege in society and a perceived threat to the breadcrumbs that get tossed to them.
Historically Low Faith in U.S. Institutions source
Just giving an explanation for why someone might harbor ill feelings towards the U.S.
So, 84% of Americans dissatisfied with American institutions are victims of propaganda by a foreign power?
I don’t need your validation to have an opinion. How insecure are you?
I don’t deserve credit for Americentrism.
goddamn the rock hard edge on this one, it’s sooo cooool.
FEC Filing Shows AIPAC Made Record Donations to Congress in November
You think everyone that's not voting for Harris is "shilling." Dude, you are shilling for Harris all the time. lol
And neither are the folks you're accusing. Funny how that works, right? Lol
Glad to see you're finally coming around and realizing how paranoid it was starting to sound, accusing so many people of being Russian agents or being paid by them. Whew! Thanks, friend.