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submitted 3 months ago by Charger8232@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

My threat model is against mass surveillance. This is one of the hardest threat models to defend against and to justify, because (at least here in the US), mass surveillance has become normalized. I've heard people directly tell me that "privacy is weird." I'm not here to shoot down the Nothing to hide argument literally labelled on Wikipedia as "a logical fallacy," instead, I want to take my own approach to show just how unnatural mass surveillance is.

Picture this: Your best friend tells you that he heard rumors that someone put cameras in your house and was actively spying on you. That is super creepy, but you brush it off and say that nobody would do that, because who would care that much about you? However, when you get home, you look around and find multiple dozen hidden cameras everywhere. Think about how you're feeling right now, knowing that you're being watched. Even though you know that you're being watched, but have no idea who has been watching you, what they have seen, or how long they've been watching you, it's disillusioning and creepy to find out that what your friend said was true.

Then, you do some digging online and find out that everyone in your neighborhood is also being watched. Oh, it's fine then, right? Suddenly it's much better that you're not alone. No! More surveillance is not a good thing. People fall into the false belief that as long as it's not targeted surveillance or a personal attack that it's suddenly fine, that you will just blend in with the noise. Your data is valuable, and spying in any capacity is NOT normal. Remember: The situation never changed, you are still being watched, you just found out that not only you, but everyone around you is also being spied on.

You still have no idea who is watching you, and it's even worse to find out that it might not just be one person, that anyone can buy this data for cheap. Data like this can be used to stalk you, drain your bank account, read intimate personal texts, rig elections, manipulate you into buying things you never intended to buy, and so much more. This is the state of mass surveillance and it needs to stop. It's not a conspiracy, the dystopia is today.

Mass surveillance is not normal. Privacy also isn't normal: it's a right, instead.

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[-] sentientity@lemm.ee 40 points 3 months ago

It has significant mental health and social effects, too. We need to start seeing these behaviors by governments and corporations the same way that we see similar actions by abusive people. Stalking and monitoring someone isn't wrong only because a regular individual is the one doing it, it's wrong because it's fundamentally wrong. Such behaviors are designed to intimidate and control someone. It is absolutely unjustifiable on every level.

[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 months ago

Just last week, my partner and I were on a long hike. No one was around us so to loosen our muscles we started dancing like goofballs on the trail only to look up and find a drone hovering in the shadows recording us. I was embarrassed, but my partner is a very private person and was really upset. Surveillance is seriously getting out of hand. If things continue in this direction then I wouldn't be surprised if people find a way to use powerful Lazer pointers to burn out cameras.

[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

time to work on your slingshot skills

[-] sentientity@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

Where do you live that has surveillance drones on hiking trails?

[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 months ago

US northern midwest. That was the first time we had a drone just silently recording us so I am not sure what to make of it.

[-] sentientity@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

Didn't know there were drones just wandering around the us. Could it have belonged to a nature photographer? Creepy af for sure

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 8 points 3 months ago

Bootlickers got nothing to hide so that's all that matters

[-] sentientity@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

I think people who say this are having a very human panic response to something that none of us should ever have to deal with and that none of us can personally control.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 3 months ago

Many of these people are conservative and they seem to be lucking the proper constitution for "personal responsibility"

There are many things a person can do about it and some are quite effective.

With snark aside, you ain't wrong and a lot of education to be done.

Every cloen incident we get more privacy, Foss, linux, Lemmy enjoyers...

Slow but steady.

[-] sentientity@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, agree. The venn diagram of right wing people and people eager to prove their correct behavior in front of the authorities is a very depressing circle. As you say here, slow and steady. The small steps count.

Edit: Wanted to add a caveat here to clarify that I am only making fun of conservative jerks, not people who for various financial or accessibility or life reasons can't do the things that are most usually recommended re: privacy.

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