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I always find it peculiar and proof of self-hatred that humans are so averse and judgemental about reveling in our sexuality.
It's a major part of who we all are, whether we choose to deny that or not. Cultures and world religions always run by monied interests would prefer we spend our time miserable collecting more for their dragon hoard piles as they live in hyper-decadent debauchery, and most of us have been too fucked in the head with sexual and "don't be laaaazy" shame to be fixable, but humanity would have been so much happier if we spent less time sacrificing ourselves to the God of economic metastasis and more time fucking, especially in an age of birth control.
We might not even have put ourselves on the express lane to self-extinction we're currently careening down in search of more treasure for the masters.
Sex is free, fun, and everyone can do it. We can't have that in capitalism, why would people work for money?
I think the issue is, when reveling in your sexuality, everyone involved must consent. It's hard to say whether posting pics of you in revealing clothes is consent for old men to ogle or not. I'd say if you post it publicly, then it should be fine for said old men to respectfully ogle. But if said old men decide to comment something like, "would love to squirtle on those jigglypuffs" on the revealing image, we're suddenly entering nonconsensual territory. So there's a fine line and it's easy to cross. Simply loving looking at boobs on the internet is fine; many women enjoy being admired. But if you take it any further, that's when problems arise. Enjoy your sexuality responsibly, my friends. đź’•
Edit: it's both extremely telling and extremely concerning how much my rational take on consent is triggering all these pathetic men.
If you don't want people spreading your images, wanking to your images, making crude comment about your images, oogling your images, etc etc. And I don't mean just nudes, I mean any picture you post...
Then don't post them online.
because once they hit the internet, in any capacity, you've lost all control of them, forever. They will still be there to be discovered when you are lying in a nursing home at 104 years old, Your descendants so far removed that they dont even know your name will still be at risk of stumbling upon them. People on the other side of the planet might use it in advertising or virtual sex dolls without you ever knowing.
You might not like it, you might not want it, you might not consent to it, but its still going to happen.
And if you want it to not happen, don't post things online. Because not posting is the only control you'll ever be able to exert over them.
Whatever you say, really don't care. I don't need some rando to tell me shit I already know.
"I don't care what some rando has to say, now let me go back to posting on the site full of randos talking to eachother. BUT THEY BETTER NOT REPLY TO ME!"
Sorry, I should have said I don't care to be mansplained about basic shit about how posting things on the internet works. You guys are really fucking obnoxious, it's telling how badly my comment about consent set you all off.
Yes. your comment set me off so much that I made a calm, rational response about the dangers of posting online and the lack of control you have over it.
God, someone stop me. Won't someone think of the children?
You regurgitated what a million other jerk ass men already said. I get it. Things on the internet are there forever, it's all the women's fault for posting revealing pics, I mean they were asking for it with the way they were dressed, huh?
Yes yes.
Everyone is the enemy, even if they've no hate or hostility, and have provided nothing but calm and rational discourse.. you won't let that stop you from imagining what they said, so you can be upset about that instead.
Because you must justify being an obnoxious ass about everything, and to everyone, to try and artificially elevate respectful discourse into screaming and skreeeeee-ing, because its the only way you can sustain your perpetual victim complex to justify yourself. Its why you do abhorrent shit like equate basic internet safety that an alarming majority of people don't know or realize in this day and age to rape. Because using rape in this way is a great way to provoke all sorts of responses that you can self-victimize yourself with, over and over again, to wallow in your euphoria of imagined persecution.
How many times do I have to tell you I don't care about your regurgitated "internet safety" lecture. I already knew and yet you decided to type a whole fucking condescending essay. So, as respectfully and calmly as possible, fuck off.
Seem to care an awful lot, since you are still here being a pissy asshole.
Just cant resist provoking hostility to feed that persecution complex, can you.
See, this is unhinged. You've been antagonizing them this entire time.
You've criticized them for bringing up rape, and yet you just can't seem to leave them alone, can you? Weird.
Some poor sap has come in here just to say something like "McDonald's shouldn't run their coffee machine so god damn hot if it's going to fuse labia together," and you've come in to correct the record: "Hm. Well. Actually, the only safe way to handle hot coffee is not to buy one. I'm very smart." Cool. Thanks, dude. I don't know what that has to do with anything, but I'm glad the abstinence-only sex ed seems to be working for you.
Breaking out the alts now, huh?
Being this unaccountable is why your kids don't talk to you.
"Asherah, I'm sorry for being weirdly fixated on advice that doesn't matter." See, you could start there.
Man, you must tell a lot of women online that their titties are bumpin'.
Oh absolutely. Thats all I post.
At least according to someones imagination.
I've literally been sexually assaulted and you set me off too. Maybe you're just a fucking dumbass
Well, as someone who's been through it, I'd really hope you of all people would understand the fucking importance of consent.
I also understand consequences for actions. If it was a private insta page, that's one thing, and I don't necessarily support these men's actions nor would I take them myself, insofar as the thirsty comments, but if I posted a picture of myself that was purposefully sexy publicly, those are the comments I have to be prepared to get. I really don't think your argument holds weight, as the consent is done when they post the image publicly to a place with public comments. That was the choice they made. I think that if somebody's pictures are leaked or something, that's totally different, but just insofar as public forums.... yeah no
So does a woman walking in public wearing revealing clothes deserve to be catcalled? Because that's basically what you're arguing. It's literally victim blaming, why can't men simply be respectful? Why are women made to police themselves?
Are we really equivocating catcalling, in which a woman has immediate and relevant fears for her physical safety, and some gross comments online?
Like when somebody tells me they're gonna rape me in a video game lobby, I don't appreciate their language but I'm not legitimately fearful.
I'd also really think somebody that cares about people wouldn't throw somebody's trauma in their face, fwiw
I don't appreciate people using their trauma as a trump card, fwiw
Excuse me? I know it may be rude to go in one of your comments, but I don't know any other way of contacting you. I just wanted to know if you are fine, because based on your other things I think you suffered too much. I hope wherever you are, things might be okay. You seem like a strong person, and a great fighter. Thank you for everything.
Wasn't a trump card. Was intended to show you just how ridiculous your line of argumentation was. If I said I'm right because I've been sexually assaulted, that would be different.
Put something on a public platform = accept that people will look at it. Allow for people to comment on it and you invite these comments. If someone wants to post pictures and not get comments on them, they can post them to a platform that doesn't allow comments.
That's right! Exactly.
For instance, this is public, and if a bunch of random weirdos came in here and started saying things like "whoa, who let the monkey out of his cage?" or "I'm about to put something on his public platform = 1,000 unsolicited dicks," there's absolutely nothing you, or I, can do about that—and it would be wrong to do anything, of course!
You're cool, man, you get it.
Your initial comment was rational, it was well-thought out and you made a fair point while ending the comment on a positive note. Left alone, I would have upvoted your well-considered opinion and moved on.
However, your follow up responses and your edit were unprovoked ad hominem sexist attacks where you assume everyone who disagrees is a mansplaining penis-wielder whose words have less value than your own. While having your views challenged can be confronting, responding in the manner you are only detracts from your argument.
I would love to know which women are set off by this.
Love it
After I quit porn, I became more sensitive to the minds and souls of women, and now my sexual attraction can flow to a desire for the women being happy.
This may seem counterintuitive if you have an addiction involving lust, but I am now more completely reveling in my sexuality.
There are a non-insignificant number of people in society who can't seem to handle the concept of consent. Then we have an ever growing number of incels awkward enough in relationships and socially that they can't talk about sexual topics without becoming angry and violent.
A lot of our societal taboos about sexuality are trying to keep those people at bay.
It's a mental health problem to be sure and it needs to be handled in society but it is rarely actually worked that way. It's easier in some countries to make women hide away than it is too deal with the men that are out of control.
We really as a race can't revel in our sexuality until we manage to get our morality under control.
You're treating the symptoms as the causes dude. If we had more open discussion about these things I don't think such issues would be as commonplace.
If people understood more of what victims of rape go through, they're much less likely to view consent as a hazy line.
I go to many places where sexuality is celebrated rather than shamed and because of that it's much less of a big deal. At one music festival I went to there were coed communal showers. I was kind of nervous but I headed down. Got in there and everybody was laughing and singing, sudsing each other up with soap, etc. This wasn't because it was some kind of huge orgy, but rather that everybody was comfortable with the nudity and we were having fun together in a totally non sexual way, in my opinion only made possible by the openness everybody had about sexuality there.
We are sexual creatures (except ace people), ain't no two ways about it. Keeping sex taboo does nothing to prevent the problems you're describing. It's like the Islamic extremists who think the only way to protect women is by taking away their rights, making their beauty a taboo, etc. And still, these places have their own problems with rape anyway, so clearly that doesn't work.
I disagree.
I think the reason people may be downvoting you is that this comment has no reason as to why you disagree. I have not btw. I respect disagreement
Yes, those two whole downvotes really make me lose sleep.
I don't really want to get into it because I can see from your replay that you won't be arguing in good faith, but we'll give it one go. If you start moving the goal posts, changing the subject or cherry picking I'll just block you. Defend what you claim in whole or dispute what I say in whole with non-fallcy fact. If you want to argue, we can debate it, but I'm not going to have your cheesing it.
Everything I mentioned is an observation of what humanity does. It's objective, there is sufficient documentation if it happening in court cases and search fodder. Most of your post is opinion about how you feel in your circumstances and poorly thought out enough that I felt it's better written off than addressed, but let's give it a shot.
"You’re treating the symptoms as the causes dude." this is your opinion, you only offer more opinion to back it up. I disagree, cause and effect are sometimes hard to peel apart. You give a starving person bread. You don't give a rapist access to women talking about sex. Giving a rapist free and open access to women isn't going to cure him. (my opinion, free to debate)
"If people understood more" is an opinion and unfounded. Do you have proof for that? I disagree
"I go to many places where " fallacy, your experience isn't everyone's experience. Same goes for your communal showers. How many cases of gang rape and murder happen? Just because communal shows and bathrooms can exist in some places with some people, doesn't mean that it's good for everyone everywhere. (my opinion, free to debate)
"We are sexual creatures (except ace people), ain’t no two ways about it. " this does not support your statement that we should be more open sexually. Just because we replicate sexually does not mean society in whole can handle it. Evolution provided us reproduction, rape and misogyny, cultural enlightenment made those things bad and wrong. We are all enlightened equally and going back to the stone age to have more open sex isn't going to improve that. We can return to it perhaps once we move along socially, but right now, it's just a horror show waiting to happen.
"Keeping sex taboo does nothing to prevent the problems" then why separate pedo's from children? We do it because it works, we do it because if we don't bad things happen.
"It’s like the Islamic extremists who think the only way to protect women is by taking away their rights, making their beauty a taboo, etc. And still, these places have their own problems with rape anyway, so clearly that doesn’t work." - you insinuate it can't be worse without any proof that it makes it better. Because there is a theft in a neighborhood, one can't say the police and laws are useless.
In my opinion, this is the answer, and just being more sexual is not going to do anything but get a lot of people hurt.
I think it's hilarious how you accuse me of arguing in bad faith then purposely misrepresent my argument to make yours look better not even 10 sentences later. I have benn writing a reply to this comment and I really hope you read it when I finish.