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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by EABOD25@lemm.ee to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

I think a little clarification is needed. No. I don't actually think everyone there is insane. I don't care about the bans so stop trying to use that. HB enthusiasts coming here and trying to call me out achieves nothing besides proving my point

Edit: Feel free to keep trying to brigade me. It's not going to scare me to take this down

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[-] fern@lemmy.autism.place 61 points 1 week ago

They were banned when reddit cracked down on any leftist thought, not because they were especially bad from what I saw.

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 81 points 1 week ago

They were banned around the same time as The Donald because everyone was tired of the shit both groups were doing.

[-] fern@lemmy.autism.place 51 points 1 week ago

I do remember that, and I remember them half-assing the Donald by just letting them make a new sub (or overrun conspiracy irrc)

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 week ago

Yeah they immediately took over Conspiracy and consolidated the hold on Conservative. Made me really sad as conspiracy used to have some incredible rabbit hole posts. Then one day it was just TD all over again.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

IIRC, the fun conspiracists moved to r/high_strangeness or something like that.

[-] imaqtpie@lemmy.myserv.one 13 points 1 week ago

That sub is trash also. I think the whole conspiracy theorist subculture has been taken over by the alt right and is highly politicized at this point.

[-] cass80@programming.dev 5 points 1 week ago

The days of mild and fun conspiracy theories are over. The entire community has been fully consumed with qanon/maga/antisemitism insanity. Their minds are irrevocably broken.

It's a shame. I grew up on xfiles and loved all the lore around the culture.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I was afraid of that (which is why I phrased it less definitively than I could have). Good to know!

[-] USSMojave@startrek.website 2 points 1 week ago

Do you know if there's a Lemmy version?

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 33 points 1 week ago

The_Donald was dead amd had migrated to a non-reddit forum a month before the ban. It was typical "both sides" bullshit from a dude who always uses the kiddy gloves with fascists while throwing the book at any leftists

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 week ago

They were banned while saying John Brown did nothing wrong and that slaveowners deserve to die.

Sounds pretty cool to me.

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

While true there was a lot more behind the decision than that final post. They had been fighting with the admins for a long time.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago

There actually isn't any such logic presented for the decision. Mostly just allusions to celebrating violence, the only examples of which were the anti-slavery posts I referenced.

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Maybe because you didn't observe it happening. Reddit admins were busy as hell cleaning the place up. All kinds of rightwing subs like some of the incel gathering spots. Some for straight up Nazis like frenworld or whatever it was where they were using honk honk as code for heil Hitler. When the admins made site changes due to complaints about right wing subs, Chapo made the list because they engaged in similar activities with the main complaint being brigading other subs. Their mods refused to change to meet the new rules. The admins eventually removed some of the mods. They still refused to change afterward. Which eventually got them shut down.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

Maybe because you didn't observe it happening.

I did, actually. I made some of the John Brown posts lol.

Reddit admins were busy as hell cleaning the place up. All kinds of rightwing subs like some of the incel gathering spots. Some for straight up Nazis like frenworld or whatever it was where they were using honk honk as code for heil Hitler. When the admins made site changes due to complaints about right wing subs, Chapo made the list because they engaged in similar activities with the main complaint being brigading other subs.

Brigading is not an activity similar to supporting incels or Nazis.

I remember the subreddit mods sharing their attempts to communicate with admins on this, offering to make whatever changes would be needed, and getting stonewalled. The subreddit itself adopted a no-brigading policy and included it with an pinned automod comment on every post.

But this is neither here nor there because the ban announcement said nothing about brigading. Instead, they said it was about content violating their new anti-hate policy and a vague statement about mods not "reining" in users. Prior communications and the timeline suggested the only content violations were anti-slavery posts.

Their mods refused to change to meet the new rules.

How so?

The admins eventually removed some of the mods.

Which ones and why?

They still refused to change afterward

Such as?

The reality is that most of this was actually opaque.

[-] TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

evidence? I see people say this but from what I remember the mod team was repeatedly stonewalled by the admins, or at least that was their claims, and I don't think the admins ever disputed that

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Hardly, the mods kept refusing to do anything about the brigading of other subs. To the point the admins stepped in and removed a couple of them. Then afterward the sub decided they'd rather go private than comply. At this point most of back and forth is wiped out because the sub is locked. But there was far more going on for a while than their claim that one post shut them down immediately. They had already been in trouble for a couple months.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/bp39gb/chapotraphouse_gets_a_call_from_the_admins/

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fmfirtv1vndy21.png

[-] TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I wasn't clear enough, what I meant wasn't that the admins literally never said anything to the mods, I meant they made it relatively unclear what exactly they needed to do to stop getting warnings and eventually getting banned. no conversation, just relatively vague commands from down high also, as you can see in the SRD thread it was never made clear if they were removed for anything besides the john brown posting. However, even this is more clear communication than I remembered so I'll admit fault on that at least.

funny thing I found browsing the thread is this comment about why chapo got banned, which mentions brigading, something people constantly accused/accuse hexbear users of doing:

...

The second aspect of this is that chapo is becoming so large that it is capable of effectively "brigading" threads without any direct co-ordination on the subreddit. By this I'm referring to stuff like the police dog situation, in which any meaningfully upvoted thread on /r/aww and other "cute" subreddits gets a shitload of "40%", "ACAB", and other anti-cop rhetoric. While screenshots of this often get posted to /r/chapotraphouse, the vast majority of the time this is AFTER the thread has already been "brigaded" by chapo users scrolling through /r/all or the specific "cute" subreddits. This behavior is not against the TOS, but it is incredibly annoying to /r/aww mods and therefore concerning to the admins, because the "cute" subreddits are the easiest to manage and please, and more importantly, the most advertiser friendly. When chapo users fuck that up, there's a problem.

...

sounds familiar doesn't it?

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Yes. They moved here. Have done the same things. Pissed many people off. Thankfully this time they can be easily contained due to how Lemmy works. They could just grow up and not be an embarrassment to the left. But that's apparently too big an ask.

[-] TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

this is very strange reasoning to me, posting on a post you see scrolling through all is now bad because... other hexbears already got there first and you dont want to be annoying? what the hell?

[-] pewgar_seemsimandroid 2 points 1 week ago

my lemmy shows a baby emoji, come out hexbear alt, and turn on bbc news.

[-] TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

easily the most baffling comment I've received today what are you trying to say???

[-] pewgar_seemsimandroid 2 points 1 week ago

mm, yes under 1 day, now go on turn on your tv and watch bbc news instead if being terminally online.

[-] TraitorToAmerica@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

you... opened my profile... and didn't read my bio? "so it’s clear: I primarily use lemmygrad, I am not trying to hide this". so I'm a grad "alt" whatever that even means, what is this weird obsession about people having accounts on different instances

additionally, I've made multiple comments in this very thread about it:

I think my comments have been too ambiguous then, I didn’t mean for anything I’ve said to come across as hostile in any way, I apologize. I’m a lemmygrad user, made this account because I browse through .ml at work and been meaning to make one so i can comment while there.

I’m a grad user not a hexbear user but views are pretty much the same, I’ll say here: it matters a ton in the thread and way in which you tried to do this. if you give the slightest hint that you’re asking questions in bad faith, they’re going to pounce on you, because communists online constantly have to deal with bad faith trolls. There are an extremely small number of communists in the west, we are outnumbered basically everywhere online and in real life, so we are naturally protective of the very few places where we hold the majority opinion.

I’m not gonna go looking for your interactions with hexbear to actually see but I’ll answer any questions you have right now. also, you haven’t been banned or had any action taken against you by hexbear mods at all. you could always pose respectful questions in one of their general mega threads, or in ask chapo

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago

The Donald had largely abandoned the sub well before it was banned though.

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Largely because they moved to different subs.

The Chapo crew didn't want to calm down with all the threats of violence and other ridiculous antics. So they left completely.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 week ago

Threats of violence against confederate slave owners.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Speaking of, John Brown was right.

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

TIL Reddit admins were confederate slavers

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 week ago

When the sub was put on probation, the post Reddit cited was justifying violence against slave owners. As far as I can tell, you just made up that they threatened Reddit admins.

[-] Zipitydew@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

There were other things that went down to get them on probation. I can tell you're gladly defending them though. Which is ridiculous so have a nice day.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Do you have some inside information you want to share with the rest of the class?

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 18 points 1 week ago

Huffman has been a frequent attendee at Burning Man, the annual, clothing-optional festival in the Nevada desert, where artists mingle with moguls. He fell in love with one of its core principles, “radical self-reliance,” which he takes to mean “happy to help others, but not wanting to require others.” (Among survivalists, or “preppers,” as some call themselves, FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, stands for “Foolishly Expecting Meaningful Aid.”) Huffman has calculated that, in the event of a disaster, he would seek out some form of community: “Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”

Spez pretty openly fantasizes about owwning slaves

No, The Donald was encouraging political violence and was becoming a legal liability for Reddit to continue hosting. But they needed to ban a major left wing subreddit at the same time to do a "both sides bad" thing and preempt the fascist talking points about social media having a liberal bias.

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