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[-] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 43 points 2 months ago

Pretty sure that qualifies for that permission.

But the whole point of doing so is to use it in the app, and you for sure can't do that without the permission.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think this is more a teleological argument he is making and I agree. We've become numb to these permission warnings. Oh this app needs access to my camera because I need to take a photo of something once at registration. Why can't it link to my default trusted photo app and that app can send a one time transfer to it? I hardly question these permissions anymore since many apps need permissions for rare one off functions. The only thing I deny every single time is my contact list.

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 months ago

teleological

I will thank you

about a million words from now

[-] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

I don't give anything mic or camera access on iOS. It's really not an inconvenience, and anything that demands it is something I don't want on my phone anyways.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

You don't use the camera or phone?

[-] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago

I'm very obviously not talking about system apps.

You don't have to give third party apps permissions they don't need.

[-] R00bot 5 points 2 months ago

Come on man, you know they didn't mean it literally 💀

[-] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Some of us are autistic. I didn't understand it either.

[-] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Pretty sure that qualifies for that permission.

I don't know what you mean. Existing behavior does not provide the control or visibility that I described.

One important difference is that the "permissions" in the screen shot are effectively all-or-nothing: if you don't agree to all of them, then you don't get to install the app. They're not permissions so much as demands.

(Some OS do have settings that will let you turn them off individually after installation, but this is not universally available, is often buried in an advanced configuration panel, leaves a window of time where they are still allowed, and in some cases have been known to cause apps to crash. Things are improving on this front with new OS versions, but doing so in microscopic steps that move at a glacial pace.)

[-] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 months ago

If your app touches the camera and mic, it will show up on that screen that it does so. "Using the API" (which is just how the OS works) doesn't prevent it from appearing on that screen, especially when you're doing so for the purpose of putting video and audio in posts.

[-] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If your app touches the camera and mic, it will show up on that screen that it does so.

Showing up on that screen is no substitute for what is actually needed:

  • Individual control (an easy and obvious way to allow or deny each thing separately)
  • Minimal access (a way to create a sound file without giving Facebook access to an open mic)
  • Visibility (a clear indication by the OS when Facebook is capturing or has captured data)
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