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I wish Denmark never gets an active presence of these groups. Oil, coal, and natural gas is irrefutably fatal and one has loads of reasons to despise those who lobby for it, but I despise those who cause terrorism (doesn't matter if it's destruction of cultural artifacts nor environmental disasters or indirect support and growth of oil, such as what Greenpeace is known for) with about equal amount.
Combating oil lobbies is extremely hard, albeit absolutely necessary, but I don't think having the common populace hate you even more than they hate the lobbyists is a good first step.
Also, Denmark appears to already be trying to work towards solutions for a better, more green future using windmills and by reclaiming farmland for more natural zones (hopefully they don't end up selling it to international farmers instead), but do indeed lack quite a lot behind on actual usefulness of all their hard work.
Regarding this, a lot of technology is not fully mature yet, we have windmills, yet are not sure how to properly maintain and decommission them in a proper manner. We have the tech, yes, but, as far as I'm aware, were currently facing much the same way as plastic. We CAN recycle plastic, but how much is really recycled? Also, do we commit to lithium polymer batteries which are very dirty, or do we attempt to use non-mature technologies such as hydrogen-pastes?
The problem is that the common populace does not hate the lobbyists and oftentimes refuse to acknowledge that they even exist. If you do anything at all, you will end up with a massive comment-thread on every social media full of boomers and right-wingers calling for your head to be detached from your body asap.
The rest of your comment is telling me that you don't live in Denmark or at least don't pay attention to danish politics. Our government is a joke. The Social Democrats are right wingers. Everything is being privatized. Public transportation sucks. Solar panels have so much bureaucracy attached to them that it makes no sense to ever bother with it, both at a local and global scale, and often doesn't end up netting you any profit because taxes. Windmill projects can be vetoed by churches within some distance (I forget the specifics, but this means that PRIESTS have final say over windmill projects in most of the country, and golly gee do they use it) and aren't ever built where they are most useful because that might lower property values on the west coast and we can't have that. Our fjords are dead and we're shooting the seals for eating the last remaining fish instead of blaming the trawlers that overfished in the first place. Every single fucking attempt this country makes in the right direction has some boomer cunt stir up a storm on social media about how the latest railway expansion personally shot their dog and raped their cat and nothing short of equal backlash will be enough to shut them up because the sitting government listens to them and not us.
Denmark is not doing okay, we're on the same downward spiral as everyone else. We just started off better due to actual social policy in the 60s, so it might seem like we're ahead of the curve, but we're headed for the same climate hell. Every month is a record month for our climate and nobody cares.
We've been asking nicely for decades and very little gets done. Historically speaking: if you want something, you have to take it.
this is the type of comment i want to leave any time someone praises a scandinavian country for almost anything.
the image of the nordics most people outside of them have is from 40 years ago.
I feel that the question about citizenship is mutual. Either that, or perhaps it's a question of comptence and ideality.
Im not sure about the property part, as the state appears to want to claim private land (in a rather indirect way through heightened taxes and reclassifications of property, such as making a 10 hectare farm into a "villa with garden") with the excuse to use it for natural area, though it's any body's guess to what will actually happen.
I do agree on public transport, as it is anything but functional in its current state. The windmills are nice, but we can't actually properly use those we've built so far and the politicians don't seem to want to fix the problem, instead choosing to just build more. And yes, our politics are just a sad joke, both the right and left wings.
Though, I do disagree about the violence part. I'd love for every single politician to get kicked out of Christiansborg and replaced by people who hopefully don't lie out of both ends, but if done using violence (and especially if done without the backing of the citizen, such as by a group who have made it their life goal to be hated by as many people as possible), then I cannot imagine it ending in anything but disaster.
Civil disobedience is extremely morally different from terrorism. Are you seriously equating throwing soup on a painting or breaking a glass case with blowing up buildings and murdering people? That’s ridiculous.