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Stop Doing Discord
(beehaw.org)
Repost from @technomancy@icosahedron.website
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Stop doing Discord
- capitalists were not supposed to own your community
- Years of hanging out yet no real-world use found for sending your private data to be sold to advertisers
- Wanted to leak private data anyway for a laugh? We had a tool for that; it was called "turning off ublock origin"
- "Yes please search our chat archive for answers to your question. it will certainly remain up forever and not get deleted when the shareholders realize it's not profitable" statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
Look at what discord admins have been demanding your respect for all this time:
- task manager screenshot, discord using 97% of CPU
- discord making too many automated requests and getting throttled
- crash screenshot
"3rd-party client? lifetime ban"
They have played us for absolute fools
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Discord is easily accessible text/image and voice chat that just works for the majority. If you want people to switch off it then you're going to need Matrix to catch up in basic features and accessibility at the very least.
I mean honestly has matrix not caught up? It's been perfectly usable and honestly more responsive than discord so far. The only real pain point was the most baseline effort that goes into e2e encryption but even then that wasn't really.. difficult?
Does it have voice chat built in and is it as easy to use and accessible as Discord?
Last time I looked this was not the case. No point lecturing people until Matrix or a viable alternative catches up at least.
Yeah it has voice chat, video calls, and screen sharing. I haven't tested any of them yet personally (soon™) but they are stated features. Element in particular is rolling out video rooms right now, still in beta, which operate identically to voice channels in discord from a UX perspective. So all said not too bad.
I see that it has 8 person voip.. but does it have an actual voice chat like Discord?
Voip is a voice chat, so your question doesn't make much sense. You can voice chat in voice rooms identically to discord, as I said above.
There is no longer an eight person limit on video or voice calls. There is a limit depending on your server.
The best that I could find was that there was an 8 person limit and that it wasn't as straightforward as Discord at all.
It's still nice to see them trying and hopefully one day it'll be a viable alternative to Discord itself.
The best that you could find?
I am personally unconvinced it's not a viable alternative to dsicord already. But yes it will always be improving and it will be good to see how far it continues to improve.
Serious question, can you join multiple homeservers yet? Having an account tied to one server is a massive drawback compared to Discord. I tried Cinny earlier and currently use Element with my friends but I don't think that feature exists.
@Umbrias @Jamoke is that even planned for ActivityPub? I think the cross communication is so that you can participate without necessarily making accounts Mastodon, Peertube, Lemmy, Misskey, etc.
If you need main features you'd likely need a account, similar to getting access to post creation and upvote/downvote on Lemmy sites.
Yes matrix account migration across homeservers is possible, though it looks a little annoying so hopefully you'd never need to do it.
I'm not sure what you mean though about being a downside compared to discord. In discord's case, your homeserver is the discord service. In matrix it could be one of any number of servers. But unlike discord, you can talk to those other home server users. So to be clear: a 'discord server' is more like a room in matrix. While your homeserver is akin to the entire discord service. Literally their servers, as in their server farms.
It would be like talking to someone's steam account or facebook messenger directly via discord. It's actually more versatile in this regard, far moreso. Your discord account is locked to discord's walled garden, a matrix account is not locked to any walled garden.
So if I'm on a self-hosted matrix server I could join rooms in any number of other matrix servers (just like joining communities across Lemmy instances)? That's a game-changer if that's the case. I have no idea how to do that within Element.
Yes that's the central idea of matrix. Element is just the client interacting with the matrix code, there are likely guides for self hosting Matrix. I don't think it's trivial though, a secure messaging system is a bit heftier than a public facing messaging board, but I am fairly confident people familiar with self hosting could do it.
Yep in the 2 or so minutes I bothered to look it up there was some fancy looking website about it being in beta.
I recently was setting up Synapse on my NAS, and installed Element, which had a login I'd previously used on the main Matrix server. I stared at my nearly-empty window looking for anything that might guide me to get some information, find some channels... SOMETHING.
On Discord, once I'm on a server, I immediately have channels. And there's a list of servers along the left side that I've joined.
AFAICT, you have to search for chat rooms yourself (or have links from elsewhere, I imagine?).
And while that's not hard, it's very much indirect and inconvenient.
If I convince someone to join me over on a Matrix chat server and they make an account and then all they see is an empty chat with a "Look for rooms" button, that's a lot of work to get started.
Also, I don't see any way to have specific communities to join which come with a set of rooms already, which is one of the biggest benefits IMO of Discord -- the sense of a "community" of discussions.
And it may be that these things do all exist already; but the fact that I don't just see them and can use them out the gate without research... that's a major hurdle to ask people to overcome for most users.