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US not afraid of escalation from Russia over events in Kursk Oblast
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What escalation? They've thrown everything they have at Ukraine already.
Not everything,
https://youtu.be/xDWTf0srzu8?t=7
Yeah, that's the elephant in the room. Also, am I crazy or is getting Ukraine nuclear missiles the answer to this artificial power imbalance...? Like, I know no NATO country can just pack and ship Ukraine nukes, but... If we provide them aid to defend their country and they saw fit to somehow purchase nuclear warheads and put them on their missiles... Wouldn't that be a good thing?
They're now a stable, mature, corruption-free country. If they publicly and loudly announced: "We now have nuclear missiles, and they're aimed at Moscow and the homes of everyone in the Kremlin, deal with it."
I'm definitely not one for nuclear proliferation, but that would get rid of Russia's "trump" card and might be the only way they back down...
You do know that Ukraine willingly dismantled its nuclear arsenal? And I would hardly call their country corruption-free, but that's a different topic altogether. I think this is why it is so important for NATO to be the backbone of the Ukrainian defense efforts, as they were the voices encouraging them to rid themselves of nuclear weapons.
In exchange for assurances that Russia wouldn't invade them. They won't make that mistake again. And it's not just me, NATO and organizations around the world have vouched for Ukraine's continuing efforts to root out and remove corruption.
There is the issue that at the time, Ukraine had absolutely no ability to actually pay to maintain a nuclear arsenal. Getting security agreements instead was a sensible thing to do, it just turns out that the ones they got weren't strong enough
And Russia does? At least they'd have the "what if one of them still works" card that the Russians are playing.
Russia's GDP and GDP per capita have both been a lot higher than Ukraine's in the entire post-Soviet period. Usually about two to three times higher per capita and five to ten times bigger overall. Post-Soviet Russia hasn't been particularly prosperous, but it has a large population and oil money. It was definitely much more able to pay for it than Ukraine.
All I'm saying is that if they kept some, they could maintain some ambiguity whether they were maintaining them or not, potentially deterring the current invasion. It's not like Russia has money to spare either, we're taking them at their word that they have a functioning nuclear arsenal.
With how the current invasion is going, I doubt that they know for certain. But let's be honest, that uncertainty is the only thing keeping US F-22s out of Moscow's skies right now.
I agree it would have been better for them with the benefit of hindsight. My point is more that the decision that they did make was a pretty rational one at the time
Yeah, I get that and I agree. Everyone thought Russia will do what's good for Russia, and not this.
Theoretically yes, although that would mean less yachts for oligarchs, so maybe some maintenance might be neglected or skipped
Not really, Russia spends about as much on its arsenal as the UK while having orders of magnitude more warheads to maintain. Either they have help from the magic nuclear maintenance faeries or only a small portion of their arsenal is still functional.
Not only got rid of their nukes, but in agreement with Russia that that their territory would be respected.
The nukes were their protection from Russia, and Russia stabbed them in the back after they got rid of them. Russia used the "NATO expansion" excuse, among others, as a reason to invade when it was Europe who worked to de-nuke Ukraine in the first place.