It has to be discouraging for you to know that you don't know what you're talking about while continuing to double down, to know that you didn't read the study and that you're responding to a post title with a gut feeling, to know that all of your "arguments" amount to, "nuh uh, you're illogical and wrong so I won't even try to make a single reasoned point" while being completely unwilling and unable to address actual points because you can't, to know that the likelihood that your gut feeling is actually correct despite the conclusion of a robust study is pretty tiny, and to know that it all played out in a public forum.

I know that last part is ironically what drives you to be rude and condescending when it only hurts your credibility as a thoughtful person. Your fragile ego was challenged and you got mad and attacked the person instead of the idea, hoping no one noticed that saying, "oh man, you don't know anything" would move the spotlight off of you, who happens to carry all the burden to prove that the study is "silly," as you put it. And you know that's true, too, and I bet its transparency doesn't help that ego of yours.

You cannot compare a bullet passing through a heart - an entirely physical process - with diseases from cancer - complex biochemical processes.

I can't compare causes of death with different root causes because of different mechanisms of malady? It's done all the time and I just did it successfully. You don't like it because it disproves your (still unknown) argument concluding in the "diminished value of the study" which you never read, as evidenced by you asking if they considered Paracelsus.

Occam's Razor would suggest that when the highly knowledgeable and trained people performing the study, in conjunction with all the people (at least in this thread) who seem to similarly understand what "root cause" means vs the 1 person who doubles down but hasn't read the study, that you are the issue and not everyone else. And this is "statistically and logically" the case. And honestly, your psuedo-scientific half-understanding zeal and intensity just come off as a drinker who refuses to accept that their actions might result in 61 known diseases that they wouldn't otherwise encounter if they choose not to drink.

You're obviously intent on continuing to double down on what amounts to your own personal definition of what "root cause" means as you've refused to address what the study authors and everyone else in this thread seen to understand clearly - that getting a disease that you wouldn't have otherwise gotten had you not been a drinker means that drinking is the root cause of that disease for you. When you get one of these diseases, be sure to argue with your doctor that drinking definitely was NOT the root cause as you have rejected the title of a post on Lemmy that asserts the opposite. Use the word Paraclesus a bunch too.

I think you blew the lid right off this thing, champion

If you get a disease that you wouldn't have gotten had you not consumed alcohol, then the alcohol consumption is the root cause of your disease. The study found 61 diseases for which this is the case for different people

As I said, the root cause of many people's heart stopping has been a bullet passing through it - those people's hearts wouldn't have otherwise developed massive holes and would have gone on ticking had it not been for the bullet - but that doesn't mean that bullets piercing hearts is the exclusive reason that hearts stop.

I'm not sure if the point you're trying to make is that not everyone who consumes alcohol gets these diseases or that alcohol consumption isn't the only cause of these diseases. Both of those statements are correct but neither are contrary to the study's conclusion.

By that logic, is it silly to say that the root issue of someone's heart stopping was the bullet that passed through it, because a knife through the heart was the root issue that caused someone else's heart to stop?

There's different ways to get dementia. Alcohol consumption is the root cause of one of them, as well as 61 other diseases. If you get dementia and they run tests, they might find that the root cause of your dementia is alcohol consumption. They might find it's a different toxic substance you were exposed to, or they might find it was genetic. That's the root cause of your dementia. The study and article obviously aren't saying that alcohol is the root cause of everyone's dementia, or the 61 other diseases it causes.

It is saying that someone who wouldn't have otherwise dealt with dementia or 61 other diseases could get them purely due to alcohol consumption, making it the root cause of their disease.

Tom Cardy's music is some of my absolute favorites.

They are definitely making plans for the day that HitlerPig declares Martial Law, and suspends elections...

Unsubstantiated bullshit dreams like this keep real resistance from forming.

"Someone else will save me!"

No, they won't. There's no "competent cabal" just waiting to make their move and pretending that there is keeps you from forming or joining the resistance yourself.

No one is going to save you or the people you love, and the price of waiting for Superman is suffering and death.

The ever-accelerating demise of the American empire will remove their fingers from every political and economic pie in the world, creating a small chance that something even worse doesn't fill the gap.

You're causing me to question their tech nerd wizard credentials

In October, he was one of nine senators to vote against legislation intended to outlaw flag burning and other forms of flag defacement and joined Bob Dole and Orrin Hatch, the other two Republicans to vote against the bill,

That's awesome. At least he stood for free speech..

in voicing a preference for a constitutional amendment.

..Jesus Christ

People, myself included, aren't fond of lemmy.ml because it pretends to be a privacy-centric instance but it's actually run by people who defend any and every criticism of Russia and China under the guise of critiquing capitalism.

They commonly say that any bad news about China or Russia is western propaganda while everything from their state-run "news" platforms is gospel.

They're unable to say that two things are true at once, like capitalism is a pure shit system AND China and Russia are fucked for a million reasons specific to them.

People get banned from their server for saying that China is anything but a utopian dream.

And then, yes, people unfairly assume that you must be cool with all that because you're using their instance. If you're not married to the idea of staying there, I'd suggest deleting your account and using a different instance.

The odds dip much further due to all of them being made up horse shit.

We use words to describe our thoughts and understanding. LLMs order words by following algorithms that predict what the user wants to hear. It doesn't understand the meaning or implications of the words it's returning.

It can tell you the definition of an apple, or how many people eat apples, or whatever apple data it was trained on, but it has no thoughts of it's own about apples.

That's the point that OOP was making. People confuse ordering words with understanding. It has no understanding about anything. It's a large language model - it's not capable of independent thought.