[-] turdas@suppo.fi 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

And multiply by hundreds of millions of devices, it's a shit ton of energy.

No it's not. You clearly have zero perspective on energy consumption.

The power draw on a phone with an NPU (where Gemini Nano is mostly used) is comparable to watching a video on your phone, maybe a couple of watts. On devices without NPUs (e.g. PCs) it will be more, but not dramatically so. The power use of this is absolutely zilch in the grand scheme of things.

To be extremely generous, let's say the average power draw is 50 watts, and that the model generates on average 10 tok/s, and that the average user has it generate 500 tokens per day (about 400 words). That's 50 seconds of 50 watts for every user, and let's say this is done by a billion users. This is a very generous estimate: in reality the average power draw is lower, the average tokens generated is likely lower (the intended use is generating short snippets like, say, email titles based on the email's content), and this definitely won't be used by a billion people.

WolframAlpha tells us that this takes 694 MWh of power, and helpfully mentions that this is 74% the fuel energy of an Airbus A330-300, and indeed this energy use is roughly in the ballpark of one transatlantic flight. There's about 500 transatlantic flights every day. Two offshore wind turbines will generate this much power on a windy day.

In all likelihood an order of magnitude more energy is spent every day watching short form videos. I'm not going to do the napkin math on that though.

edit: in reality, local models like this will likely reduce net power consumption as fewer API calls are made to cloud LLMs, which are both less power efficient and have overhead from the whole internet thing.

[-] turdas@suppo.fi 2 points 19 hours ago

Yeah, bloating the install size is the main problem with this. Users running out of storage space is inconvenient, but has no real bearing on climate or privacy.

[-] turdas@suppo.fi 4 points 19 hours ago

Yes it is. Small models like this are on the order of 100x more efficient than the big models backing ChatGPT or Gemini proper.

[-] turdas@suppo.fi 5 points 20 hours ago

It's a local model. It uses a fraction of the power a cloud AI query uses, and cloud AI queries already use much less power than you obviously think they do (it is AI training -- specifically training frontier models -- that burns power like crazy).

[-] turdas@suppo.fi 3 points 20 hours ago

If it is not immediately obvious to you how negligible the cost is going to be, you have no clue how little compute small models like this require. Apply a bit of common sense: this is a model designed to run locally on smartphones. If it used a lot of power, the phone would run out of battery.

It's hard (if not impossible) to find power usage figures for Gemini Nano, because they're going to depend on the efficiency of the device it's running on. If it's on a phone (where most Chrome installs are), that phone likely has an NPU, in which case the power draw will be negligible. If it has to run on the CPU, it'll be more.

So let's instead assume every user will be using a model comparable to ChatGPT, for which we do have reasonable estimates. According to this estimate, 500 output tokens would use about 0.3 Wh of energy. 500 output tokens is about 400 words, which is probably more than the average user will be using Gemini Nano for (it is intended for small tasks), but let's assume that as the average daily use. 1 billion users times 0.3 Wh is 300 MWh. Fuck all on a global scale, about 0.0015% of the world's energy production (20 TWh per day).

Keep in mind that figure is for the full ChatGPT, which runs on 1500-watt GPUs. Gemini Nano runs on chips that draw more like 1.5 W, and on devices that physically cannot draw more than 15 W. It's thus reasonable to estimate that it is on the order of 100x more efficient.

[-] turdas@suppo.fi 4 points 21 hours ago

That's ridiculous. How is it "illegal abuse" for an application to install new features on your computer? If you don't like the feature then uninstall the application. This is how it works for all software.

It's a local model so it doesn't even have the privacy concerns a cloud model would have. Not that that really matters because Chrome is a privacy concern in and of itself already.

[-] turdas@suppo.fi 7 points 22 hours ago

The blockers are in Gnome's design guidelines, which many Gnome-related apps tend to follow.

The quintessential app I am thinking of here is Bottles, which has one of the worst UIs I've had the displeasure of using in recent memory.

[-] turdas@suppo.fi 16 points 23 hours ago

Open context menus.

I know the reasons. I do not agree with the reasons.

[-] turdas@suppo.fi 30 points 23 hours ago

The climate costs aren't "insane". One billion devices receiving the push (probably an overestimate) represents about 0.02% of global internet traffic.

The guy kind of proves this in his own post. The annual emissions of 13 000 cars (which is what this would equate to on 1 billion devices) is fuck all on a global level. One city pushing for bike-friendly infrastructure will have 10x that effect.

This is not to say this isn't kind of a stupid update, but the only thing insane about the climate costs is how insanely contrived bringing them up here is.

[-] turdas@suppo.fi 18 points 1 day ago

Funny, for me it's the exact opposite. The design language of most of the apps is stupid. I'm on a PC. I have a mouse and a widescreen monitor. Why does the app have a single column smartphone app layout where everything is gigantic and the right mouse button is never used for anything?

[-] turdas@suppo.fi 21 points 1 day ago

Cleverbot's trick was that it made humans respond to one another, it's actually kind of similar to this. The difference is that Cleverbot stored the responses and whenever a query was made it picked the closest stored match.

[-] turdas@suppo.fi 33 points 1 day ago

Back in my day this was called Cleverbot.

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submitted 1 week ago by turdas@suppo.fi to c/suomi@sopuli.xyz

Rosatomin perutun voimalan tilalle kaavaillaan tällaista. Otsikko sai jotenkin katsomaan kahdesti (joka luultavasti oli Ilta-Pulun pyrkimys), mutta tietenkinhän tuossa vain tarkoitetaan amerikkalaisen yhtiön (Westinghousen) rakentamaa voimalaa.

Ydinvoima on Suomessa toiminut tosi hyvin. Pääasiassa ydin- ja tuulivoiman ansiosta olemme nykyään 89-prosenttisesti hiilivapaita:

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submitted 2 weeks ago by turdas@suppo.fi to c/finland@sopuli.xyz

The nearly 1,200-metre bridge is said to be the longest bridge in the world that will exclusively serve pedestrians, cyclists and trams.

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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by turdas@suppo.fi to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world

The nearly 1,200-metre bridge is said to be the longest bridge in the world that will exclusively serve pedestrians, cyclists and trams.

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Not sure how credible this is, but it seems more credible than that Finnish company's claims. This one comes from an established battery manufacturer and according to the article the cells have survived puncture tests etc. already.


After achieving a breakthrough earlier this week, Greater Bay Technology said it aims to launch the world’s first mass-producible all-solid-state battery this year.

China ramps up solid-state EV battery production

Greater Bay Technology (GBT) is a battery manufacturer backed by China’s GAC Group. The battery startup focuses on developing ultra-fast charging and solid-state batteries.

It even set the world record for the “fastest charging technology for electric vehicles” in 2024 with its Extreme Fast Charging (XFC) batteries, which recharged from 0% to 80% in just 7.5 minutes.

On Monday, the company announced it had hit another major milestone, with its first A-sample all-solid-state battery cells rolling off the production line.

The A-sample battery cells contain no liquid electrolyte and successfully passed needle penetration, extrusion, and thermal shock tests without a fire or explosion.

GBT said the breakthrough enables all-solid-state EV batteries to move from the lab to industrialization as it aims to begin mass production in 2026. According to Chinese news outlet, NE-Time, GBT aims to launch the “world’s first mass-producible all-solid-state battery” with GWh-level mass production and in-vehicle use by 2026.

The new tech overcomes the hurdles that have prevented all-solid-state batteries from hitting the mass market with a new organic-inorganic composite ESC all-solid-state electrolyte system.

GBT’s battery tech has already been reviewed and is receiving support from China’s National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC).

With a single cell energy density of 260-500 Wh/kg, considerably higher than traditional liquid lithium-ion batteries, the cells enable a longer driving range, faster charging, and more interior space.

The new tech enables stable 2-3C fast charging, which has been another major barrier for solid-state EV batteries. It also showed minimal cycle-life degradation during long-term, repeated charge-and-discharge cycles.

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Not sure how credible this is, but it seems more credible than that Finnish company's claims. This one comes from an established battery manufacturer and according to the article the cells have survived puncture tests etc. already.


After achieving a breakthrough earlier this week, Greater Bay Technology said it aims to launch the world’s first mass-producible all-solid-state battery this year.

China ramps up solid-state EV battery production

Greater Bay Technology (GBT) is a battery manufacturer backed by China’s GAC Group. The battery startup focuses on developing ultra-fast charging and solid-state batteries.

It even set the world record for the “fastest charging technology for electric vehicles” in 2024 with its Extreme Fast Charging (XFC) batteries, which recharged from 0% to 80% in just 7.5 minutes.

On Monday, the company announced it had hit another major milestone, with its first A-sample all-solid-state battery cells rolling off the production line.

The A-sample battery cells contain no liquid electrolyte and successfully passed needle penetration, extrusion, and thermal shock tests without a fire or explosion.

GBT said the breakthrough enables all-solid-state EV batteries to move from the lab to industrialization as it aims to begin mass production in 2026. According to Chinese news outlet, NE-Time, GBT aims to launch the “world’s first mass-producible all-solid-state battery” with GWh-level mass production and in-vehicle use by 2026.

The new tech overcomes the hurdles that have prevented all-solid-state batteries from hitting the mass market with a new organic-inorganic composite ESC all-solid-state electrolyte system.

GBT’s battery tech has already been reviewed and is receiving support from China’s National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC).

With a single cell energy density of 260-500 Wh/kg, considerably higher than traditional liquid lithium-ion batteries, the cells enable a longer driving range, faster charging, and more interior space.

The new tech enables stable 2-3C fast charging, which has been another major barrier for solid-state EV batteries. It also showed minimal cycle-life degradation during long-term, repeated charge-and-discharge cycles.

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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by turdas@suppo.fi to c/suomi@sopuli.xyz

Minua on aina ärsyttänyt lähes kesäajan vertaisesti se, että Suomessa seurataan EET-aikavyöhykettä Keski-Euroopan CET-vyöhykkeen sijaan. Läntisessä Suomessa, jossa valtaosa suomalaisista asuu, CET kun vastaa maantieteellistä sijaintiamme käytännössä yhtä hyvin, mutta olisi EU-yhteistyön kannalta paljon parempi. Toisaalta myöskään EET:stä ei meille ole mitään hyötyä nyt, kun Venäjän kanssa ei tulla pitkään aikaan tekemään yhteistyötä.

Tutkimustiedon valossa vaikuttaa myös siltä, että on terveyden kannalta parempi elää aikavyöhykkeen keskikohdan itä- kuin länsipuolella. Tällöin kellot ovat hieman Aurinkoa jäljessä, joka helpottaa illalla nukahtamista ja aamulla heräämistä (eli vaikutus on päinvastainen kuin kesäajalla).

Nyt kun kelloja taas käännettiin, innostuin tekemään aiheesta tällaisen ruohonjuuriaktivistisen tiedoteverkkosivun. Sivulla on karttoja, ytimekästä tietoa ja laskuri, joka näyttää eri kaupungeille paljonko kellon oikeasti niissä pitäisi olla.

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submitted 3 months ago by turdas@suppo.fi to c/energy@slrpnk.net

Interesting video by Hank Green about all the ways coal is bad, addressing many of the false claims of the coal lobby.

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submitted 5 months ago by turdas@suppo.fi to c/games@lemmy.world
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(0) Read the official Microsoft support guide, because otherwise you will never succeed.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-GB/office/change-sharepoint-online-language-settings-0f6a477a-dcab-4462-9d0c-e3b53d138183

Note that the UIs in the following steps may be in a language that you do not speak, but the support guide will naturally refer to the English localization. If you need the localized names of the UI elements, the guide is available in multiple languages. Unfortunately this will change the language of the entire guide, which may make it difficult to understand the steps themselves.

(1) Click on your profile circle in the top right and then click on this link.

(2) On the new page that opens, click this button.

(3) In the modal pop-up, click this unassuming one-word link in the bottom left.

(The link translates to "You can add more profile information here.")

(4) On the new page that opens, click on the ellipsis button to show the hidden items of the horizontal navigation.

(5) Select "Language and region".

(6) Add your preferred language using the drop-down box and move it to the top of the list using the little arrows.

(7) IMPORTANT! Don't forget to scroll to the bottom and click on "Save all and close"!

(8) Click "OK" on this pop-up.

(9) You're done and will be navigated back to the page from step 2!

Hope you didn't want to change any other settings here.

Oh, and the page from step 2 will still be in the original language. Don't worry, the pop-up dialog assured us it will change soon. Word may also still be in the original language, but should change sooner than the page from step 2 (I am still waiting on that one).

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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by turdas@suppo.fi to c/energy@slrpnk.net

A long and detailed YouTube video by Kyle Hill about how an outdated principle of "there is no safe level of ionizing radiation" still pervades nuclear and radiation policy in spite of continuously mounting scientific evidence to the contrary, contributing to unnecessarily great caution with things like medical imaging, and to negative public perception and panic regarding nuclear power.

The TL;DW is that there is a mountain of evidence that small doses of radiation are harmless due to the body's natural defenses and self-repair mechanisms, and in fact according to many studies small doses may in fact reduce the risk of cancer compared to baseline rather than increase it (a phenomenon known as hormesis).

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submitted 10 months ago by turdas@suppo.fi to c/main@suppo.fi

Onko vika vaan minun päässä, kun aika monessa uutispostauksessa esim. suomi@sopuli.xyz:ssa ei näy uutisen otsikkoa? Jos avaa Sopulin kautta osoitteesta https://sopuli.xyz/c/suomi niin niissä näkyy. Kuva alla.

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submitted 2 years ago by turdas@suppo.fi to c/main@suppo.fi

Tämä uuden UI:n viestieditori jokseenkin ärsyttävästi syö koneellani useita ctrl-pikanäppäimiä tekstiasettelua varten. Olen huomannut että esim. seuraavat tulevat syödyksi:

  • Ctrl-C tekee kursiivia
  • Ctrl-X tekee boldia
  • Ctrl-Shift-T luo linkin

Käytän Dvorak-näppäimistöasettelua ja huomasin, että Ctrl-C sijainniltaan vastaisi QWERTY-näppäimistöllä Ctrl-i:tä (italics) ja Ctrl-X Ctrl-B:tä (bold). Eli ilmeisesti nämä on vaan määritelty näppäimistösijaintien mukaan eikä sen mukaan, mikä merkki näppäimessä on.

En löytänyt mistään tapaa kytkeä näitä pois päältä. Olenko vain huono etsimään vai täytyykö asiasta mennä nillittämään editorin kehittäjälle? Mistä kehittäjä voisi löytyä?

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