Very nice! I appreciate the effort you put into changing it.

@the_q It's axiomatic. If you want to debate like that, I'm sure Jordan Peterson would be delighted.

@the_q Just because something is socially constructed doesn't mean it isn't real.

@BaroqueInMind

@Zachariah Yes, though given he was a soldier and did indeed kill people, I think it speaks more to the inherent worthlessness of private property.

@Ardens Every welfare state has those demands. Welfare states aren't some hypothetical.

And as said, socialist countries have welfare. They also have near-100% employment rates, don't believe labour to be a commodity, and their welfare is very different from welfare states, which are a capitalist phenomenon, and will never be the utopian notion of a system built to let underemployed people thrive.

@Comrade Ferret The fact that I can say this in a supposedly communist forum and have as many people upvoting it as downvoting it really speaks volumes about how absolutely fucking cooked Lemmy is.

@Archangel1313

implemented because of capitalism's failures during the Great Depression

Yes, exactly. People were organizing. Rising up. Capitalism did approve those programs, in order to keep them from doing so. Or do you think that you no longer live under capitalism, because capitalism "would never have approved" welfare?

Socialism is not when you have a welfare state.

@Archangel1313 The welfare state was the capitalist's answer to working class organization and its victory in the Soviet Union. It was a concession and therefore a means of control. It's also an alarming sign that capitalism seems to believe it no longer needs it.