[-] evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Generally AMD had a poor reputation so indeed AMD chips ended up in budget product lines. But the tables have turned retrospectively because no one realised from 2008 to 2013 that AMD unwittingly had a pro-consumer privacy advantage, however accidental.

Unfortunately nobody ever put AMDs APUs into actually good laptops,

The CPU is part of what makes a machine “good”. You could say Thinkpads were good for their repairability, upgradability, and stability of design across models -- exactly the factors that Apple is the poorest at. If good means /rugged/, then in fact there are some ASUS, Acer, and non-thinkpad Lenovos that had a stainless steel chassis (with pre-spychip AMDs).

Good is also relative. And now we know that having a spychip not so good. So they put a piece if shit spychip in an otherwise good machine, thus dragging down the goodness of those machines. Conneseurs of the time would not care to track the various models of perceived junk. But retrospectively it started making sense to do so -- once knowledge of the spy chips was well established. But this is a very niche community who gives a shit about spy chips. Masses of normies just care about specs and performance which is who we would rely on to document the hardware.

[-] evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 4 days ago

sdf is the host. The same that hosts my acct. It’s not a fed issue. But the fed could compensate for the problem because hosts other than SDF can see the whole timeline.

[-] evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 days ago

by active. Now it’s 5 months back. Maybe just a temporary issue.

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submitted 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) by evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org to c/retrocomputing@lemmy.sdf.org

In my search to list laptops that just barely pre-date the spy chips, MSI specs emerged:

MSI laptops using the Richland processor

MSI Gaming 3BE-273XES                           AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming Destroyer-280                        AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8.1 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX60 3AE-095TW laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 16 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 7970M Windows 8 Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3AE-210NE Hitman Edition        AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 7970M Windows 8 Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3AE-212FR Hitman Edition laptop AMD A10 A10-5750M 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 4 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 7970M Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8 Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3AE-214XCZ Hitman Edition       AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 7970M Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3AE-216US laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 7970M Windows 8 Black QWERTY English
MSI Gaming GX60 3AE-223NE Hitman Edition        AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 7970M Windows 8 Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3BE-233RU laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Windows 8 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX60 3BE-235FR                       AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 4 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8 Black AZERTY
MSI Gaming GX60 3BE-236XTH laptop               AMD A10 A10-5750M 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3BE-238XRU laptop               AMD A10 A10-5750M 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 4 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 500 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3BE-240US                       AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX60 3BE-246XFR                      AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3BE-250RU laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Windows 8 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX60 3BE-251CZ laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Windows 8 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX60 3BE-253XCZ laptop               AMD A10 A10-5750M 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M FreeDOS Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX60 3BE-263TH laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3BE-272XCZ laptop               AMD A10 A10-5750M 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M FreeDOS Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX60 3BE-279UK                       AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC(Destroyer)-281US            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC(Destroyer)-283XFR           AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC(Destroyer)-287XPL           AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC(Destroyer)-400XRU           AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 4 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 500 GB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC(Destroyer)-401RU            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC(Destroyer)-402RU            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC(Destroyer)-404TW            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 7 Home Premium Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC(Destroyer)-415TW            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 7 Home Premium Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC(Destroyer)-418HU            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC(Destroyer)-433XHU           AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC-276XVN Destroyer            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 4 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC-292CZ Destroyer             AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC-293XCZ Destroyer            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) FreeDOS Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC-294XES Destroyer            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC-295UK Destroyer             AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX60 3CC-296UK Destroyer             AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX60-3CC81FD (Destroyer)             AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX60-3CC87FD                         AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX60-A10897287                       AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 39.6 cm (15.6") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M FreeDOS Black QWERTZ
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-003FR                       AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8 Black AZERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-004RU laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-007US laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Windows 8 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-008US laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-009NE laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Windows 8 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-010NL laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-011BE laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Windows 8 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-015CZ laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Windows 8 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-016XCZ laptop               AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-027CZ laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 12 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Windows 8 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-034XRU laptop               AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) FreeDOS Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-041UK laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 878 GB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-042TR laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 16 GB DDR3-SDRAM 878 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Windows 8 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-065ES laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Windows 8 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-079XRU laptop               AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-081TR laptop                AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 16 GB DDR3-SDRAM 878 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3BE-087XCZ laptop               AMD A10 A10-5750M 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M FreeDOS Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-098AU            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 16 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-217XFR           AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-220TW            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 16 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 7 Home Premium Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-226US            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 12 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-233RU            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-234XRU           AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-238NL            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-239BE            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8 Black AZERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-259TW            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 16 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 7 Home Premium Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-261NE            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-262NL            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-266BE            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-267LU            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-268HU            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-275TR            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 16 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-278UA            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-283NL            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-284BE            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-287XES           AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC(Destroyer)-289XHU           AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC-201XCZ Destroyer            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) FreeDOS Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC-227XES Destroyer            AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX70 3CC-228UK Destroyer             AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 878 GB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8.1 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 Destroyer                       AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 12 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 Destroyer-099                   AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 12 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black QWERTY
MSI Gaming GX70 Destroyer-229                   AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 12 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Wi-Fi 4 (802.11n) Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX70-3CC81FD (Destroyer)             AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1 TB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX70-3CC87FD                         AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon R9 M290X FreeDOS Black
MSI Gaming GX70-3CC8H11B                        AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX70-3CC8H11BW (Destroyer)           AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3L-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon R9 M290X Windows 8.1 Black
MSI Gaming GX70-A10897287                       AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 750 GB HDD AMD Radeon HD 8970M FreeDOS Black QWERTZ
MSI Gaming GX70H-A108972811B                    AMD A10 A10-5750M Laptop 43.9 cm (17.3") Full HD 8 GB DDR3-SDRAM 1.12 TB HDD+SSD AMD Radeon HD 8970M Windows 8 Black QWERTZ

WTF.. fuck me. What’s all this about a “destroyer”? And a “hitman edition”? What a fucking mess because they needed to market a gaming machine to kids. There is no wikipedia page that decodes the model numbers. It appears that the last two characters are a country code. From there if anyone has a secret decoder ring for MSI model numbers it would be appreciated.

In particular, if an MSI laptop has GX60 or GX70 in the model, can I count on it being an AMD Richland CPU? I think the “60” implies a 15.6″ display and “70” implies 17.3″ display. It’s unclear if some models would have an intel cpu.

It’s basically the same problem with Acer and ASUS laptops. There are a shit-ton of cryptic submodels. And no secret decoder ring.

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SDF lost data? (lemmy.sdf.org)

Just last week I posted to !retrocomputing@lemmy.sdf.org. I can visit that particular thread but if I go to the timeline there is nothing newer than like 9 month or so.

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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org to c/humanrights@crazypeople.online

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/57532633

Of course what this means is people who are not in Trump’s exclusive fiefdom will be excuded from access, at least for a period of time.

It’s being challenged as unconstitutional. But I think more basically it’s a violation of human rights. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Article 21

  1. Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
  2. Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.

Trump’s “early access” program is inherently partaking in governance as it is communication between reps and those they represent. Knowing what is going on inside that nutjob’s brain is part of the democracy equation -- as precursor to protesting his next stupid idea. Yet in this case it would be exclusively available to paying subscribers, not everyone as required by art.21.

Trump’s move violates both paragraph 1 and 2 of Art.21.

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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org to c/digi_fiefdom_required@lemmy.sdf.org

Of course what this means is people who are not in Trump’s exclusive fiefdom will be excuded from access, at least for a period of time.

It’s being challenged as unconstitutional. But I think more basically it’s a violation of human rights. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

Article 21

  1. Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
  2. Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.

Trump’s “early access” program is inherently partaking in governance as it is communication between reps and those they represent. Knowing what is going on inside that nutjob’s brain is part of the democracy equation -- as precursor to protesting his next stupid idea. Yet in this case it would be exclusively available to paying subscribers, not everyone as required by art.21.

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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org to c/text_ui@lemmy.sdf.org

I could really use a commandline mechanism for saving a webpage locally for offline viewing later. Saving the page in a single file is ideal.

“singlefile”, the browser extension

For GUI users there is a quite useful extension (single-file). That can be run from the CLI by installing single-file-cli. But I am not enthusiastic about the bloaty option. You must first install some obscure package manager called “Deno”, which does not exist in the official Debian repositories (thus has not proven to be worthy for mainstream public use, and also complicates every Debian upgrade). Then it uses JavaScript to instrument a bloaty GUI browser. Not great.

Worth noting that there is Org-mode integration but this does not get around the the non-Debian dependency on Deno.

wget

A page can be fetched using this command:

$ wget -U 'stopDiscriminatingAgainstWg3t' -c -P "$dir" -E -H -k -K --xattr -p "$url"
$ printf '%s' "$url" > "$dir"/url.txt

The printf is needed because wget just dumps a big tree of files with no indication of which file must be opened to render the whole page. Indeed it sucks. Saving the URL gives us a fighting chance at locating the file but it’s still a pain. And from there, the files are still scattered on your hard drive.

There is a non-Debian tool called HTMLArk. Again, I am not thrilled about non-Debian stuff. But it claims to be able to produce a single HTML file from a scattered collection of files. I have not tried it but in principle it can be used to tidy up the mess dumped by wget.

ArchiveBox and Grunt-inline

ArchiveBox looks interesting. But it’s non-Debian so not exactly spot-on. Same issue with Grunt-inline. There is some grunt stuff in the Debian repos but not this tool specifically.

webpages2html

This is a python script but the script and its dependencies are non-debian. Requires using pip which is a disaster of a tool that is barely suitable for developers but hardly suitable for the end users who end up getting pushed into it b/c there is no proper pkg manager.

What else?

Any decent option I have overlooked?

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When a scanned document is slightly rotated anti-clockwise, this causes a problem for OCR because the 2nd half of every line appears before the 1st half of every line. The incorrect order is a disaster for language translations.

The FOSS tool to deskew is unpaper. But it often fails to deskew. There are --pre-rotate and --post-rotate options which you might expect to give some manual control, but strangely you can only rotate by 90°. The unpaper options are not well explained.

What are folks doing in this situation?

I recall from ~20 years ago Windows paperless tools had a deskewing function that was manual. You draw a line under a line of text on the page and that input is used for rotation. It was limited to PDFs but at least it worked. Is there anything like that in the free world?

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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org to c/retrocomputing@lemmy.sdf.org

This follows from my previous thread. I am struggling to find a list of laptops and their CPUs from that time period. Data sources covering that would be appreciated!

In principle, www.notebookcheck.net would be useful. But there are some ad-pushing protectionist motherfuckers behind that site. And 12ft.io is gone (either bullyed offline or could not workaround Google pulling the plug on their caches).

(update) Wow, here is a gem. Do I understand correctly -- there are 2025 laptops with a Trinity CPU? (edit) Something seems off.. they mention the Ideapad 1 as having the Trinity chip, but this says otherwise. Although “Ideapad 1” is apparently a series.

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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/57025341

I set out to determine which AMD processors do not contain the PSP (which actually compromises your security). Started down this rabbit hole. It’s turned into a shitshow of non-determinism.

So, wouldn’t nation states research which processors are spychips and which are not -- in the interest of national security? If yes, is it just a matter of requesting the info?

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I set out to determine which AMD processors do not contain the PSP (which actually compromises your security). Started down this rabbit hole. It’s turned into a shitshow of non-determinism.

So, wouldn’t nation states research which processors are spychips and which are not -- in the interest of national security? If yes, is it just a matter of requesting the info?

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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org to c/retrocomputing@lemmy.sdf.org

Someone made an effort to work out which are the latest AMD chips that were released just prior to the PSP (iow, they discovered the non-spy chips). The linked article gives a list resulting from their efforts. This is interesting because intel began their spy chips in 2008. So an AMD from 2013 likely well outperforms the last of the spy-chip-free intels.

The author ended with:

Conclusion: You can choose any CPU/APU of the leftmost list to get the „latest“/last CPU without a PSP builtin.

What is meant by “leftmost list”? I just see a single list in my browser. And the sequence seems to be the opposite of what is claimed. Bulldozer seems to be older than Piledriver.

This is also just the 1st step. It would be useful to know which devices contain these AMD chips from 2013. In particular, laptops and mini PCs would be interesting. The search must be painful because ads for hardware tend not to mention the code names. In fact, h/w makers were not proud of their AMD selection and might altogether not mention AMD.

Where do I start? Anyone know which makers of laptops and mini PCs made heavy use of AMD in 2013? Searching for AMD mini pc 2013 gets a lot of hits mentioning “Ryzen”, which did not exist in 2013.

(update) Bulldozer was for the desktop and server markets. So probably safe to assume it would not be found in a mini PC or laptop. Worth noting that in 2025 there were FOSS firmware updates for piledriver and bulldozer.

(update 2) It is strange and annoying that Thinkpad timelines and history pages deceive readers into thinking AMD chips did not appear in Thinkpads until 2017. The 15h.org page reveals that the Thinkpad e545 not only has an AMD chip but it is pre-spychip. Searching specifically for Thinkpad e545 shows this.

(update 3) The author (“ro”) relied heavily on the cpu list in Wikipedia. But Wikipedia is incomplete. E.g. the AMD A4-9120e (code named “Stoney Ridge”) is unknown to wikipedia. It likely has PSP b/c it was designed 5 yrs after the first spy chip. But it’s hard to know what other CPUs were overlooked by Wikipedia around 2013.

(update 4) I’ve lost confidence in the work presented in the linked article. The author states this:

The Steamroller-Family incorporates the CPUs code-named by Kaveri. You could also use the Piledriver architecture with its code-names Trinity and Richland since they are prior to Steamroller.

We are led to believe that all chips based on the steamroller microarchitecture are safe (that is, spychip-free). After some digging, it was initially pleasing to find that some 2015 chips were still based on Steamroller. Which implies we can trust some chips as late as 2015. But in fact wikipedia states Kaveri has “Integrated custom ARM Cortex-A5 co-processor[34] with TrustZone Security Extensions[35]”.

Yikes!

It means we must reject the assumption that a microarchitecture is either wholly with or wholly without the PSP!

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submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org to c/isitdown@infosec.pub

SDF was down for a very long time.. like 4-6 months. After finally coming back online, we lost federation capabilities. We also lost the ability to create communities despite having the “Create Community” option.

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SDF is malconfigured. The “Create Community” option is given at the top of the screen, which means SDF is configured to allow usres to create new communities.

We get a blank form. We take the time to fill out all the details of the new community. Then when we click “Create” we get a bogus error popup falsely claiming that the community already exists.

[-] evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you think it’s over the money, you’ve missed the plot.

There is an ethical problem with how they operate. If you let them get away with their shenanigans, you support them. I will not. Fuck banks. And fuck their shenanigans. When they pulled this shit, it became my ethical duty to cost them. Their postage cost exceeds the value of the check, and their phone operator costs are high. So I’m happy to ensure their profit-driven exploitation backfires fully.

Mobile deposits: most banks have scrapped remote deposits via web. Most banks are happy to exclude those not on their exclusive smartphone ecosystem and try to push you into Google’s walled garden to obtain their forced-obsolescence app (so Google can know where you bank after getting a mobile phone subscription in order to activate a Google acct). Anything to cattle-herd boot lickers onto the bank’s closed-source spyware app is part of their game. The ethical problems with this could fill a book.

I tried hacking together an Android emulator to take a JPG of a check and emulate the camera within the android v/m using the linux gstreamer tool. I tried that back when I was willing to briefly experiment with a closed-source bank app I exfiltrated using Raccoon. Shit didn’t work with the banking app.. it was too defensive. I was lucky the app even ran on the emulator. Many banking apps detect the emulator and refuse to run.

Can’t reach an ATM for deposits from overseas. But also, when I am in the country, it’s a long drive from the house to an ATM.

So deposits by mail are the most sensible in my situation.

They fucked up. They made you whole.

The idiot who charged the interest was just the first fuckup. And it’s not a significant fuckup. The notable fuckup here is the deliberate corporate-wide policy in how they deal with small credits that leads to a paper check in the mail. It’s the shitty policy that disables them from fixing their fuckups. A fuckup is fine if they can fix sensibly. But this is not the case here.

IIUC, it’s what the Scots call a running goat fuck.. which is fuck up after fuck up on top of fuck ups.

[-] evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago

Diligent consumers don’t do that. They pay their bill off faster than fees can be incurred. It’s the other consumers, the undisciplined and the poor, who get sucked dry by fees. These are not the demographic of international travelers. One demographic is subsidizing another.

The interesting thing is that if you’re in the diligent demographic, you can make the shitty bank lose money. Profit from those they exploit is the same whether you create a loss for the bank or not.

[-] evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 year ago

I’ll have a brief look but I doubt ffmpeg would know about DVD CSS encryption.

[-] evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

If anyone is writing or maintaining a playbook/handbook for how to run an authoritarian regime, removing open data would be a play to add.

[-] evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It’s possible that it’s an accident, but unlikely IMO. The accidental case is overload and timing fragility. Tor introduces a delay, so if a server already has a poor response time and the user’s browser has a short timeout tolerance, then it’s a recipe for a timeout. Firefox does better than Chromium on this (default configs). But I tried both browsers. At the state level I think they made a concious decision to drop packets.

It’s also possible that they are not blocking all of Tor but just the exit node I happened to use. I did not exhaustively try other nodes but I was blocked two different days (thus likely two different nodes). In any case, this forum should help sort it out. Anyone can chime in with other demographics who are blocked, or tor users that are not blocked.

(edit) ah, forgot to mention: www.flsenate.gov also drops Tor packets.

[-] evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

infosec 101:

  • confidentiality
  • integrity
  • availability

If users who should have access (e.g. US taxpayers) are blocked, there is an availability loss. Blocking Tor reduces availability. Which by definition undermines security.

Some would argue blocking Tor promotes availability because a pre-emptive strike against arbitrary possible attackers revents DoS, which I suppose is what you are thinking. But this is a sloppy practice by under-resourced or under-skilled workers. It demonstrates an IT team who lacks the talent needed to provide resources to all legit users.

A mom and pop shop, sure, we expect them to have limited skills. But the US federal gov? It’s a bit embarrassing. The Tor network of exit nodes is tiny. The IRS should be able to handle a full-on DDoS attempt from Tor because such an effort should bring down the Tor network itself before a federal gov website. If it’s fear of spam, there are other tools for that. IRS publications could of course be on a separate host than that which collects feedback.

[-] evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is not a news forum. It’s a boycott organisation and support forum. Do your boycotts tend to last less than 1 year? That’s not really impactful. (which is not to say impact is the only reason to boycott… I boycott just to ensure that I am not part of the problem, impact or not)

I have been boycotting Mars at least since 2018 when I found out they spent $½ million lobbying against GMO labeling in the US. Even if they were to turn that around and pay more money to lobby for GMO transparency, I would still boycott their vending machines. Not just because they got caught in a data abuse scandal, but because they lied about it, which means they cannot be trusted with technology.

[-] evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Don’t Canadian insurance companies want to know where their customers are? Or are the Canadian privacy safeguards good on this?

In the US, Europe (despite the GDPR), and other places, banks and insurance companies snoop on their customers to track their whereabouts as a normal common way of doing business. They insert surreptitious tracker pixels in email to not only track the fact that you read their msg but also when you read the msg and your IP (which gives whereabouts). If they suspect you are not where they expect you to be, they take action. They modify your policy. It’s perfectly legal in the US to use sneaky underhanded tracking techniques rather than the transparent mechanism described in RFC 2298. If your suppliers are using RFC 2298 and not involuntary tracking mechanisms, lucky you.

[-] evenwicht@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You’re kind of freaking out about nothing.

I highly recommend Youtube video l6eaiBIQH8k, if you can track it down. You seem to have no general idea about PDF security problems.

And I’m not sure why an application would output a pdf this way. But there’s nothing harmful going on.

If you can’t explain it, then you don’t understand it. Thus you don’t have answers.

It’s a bad practice to just open a PDF you did not produce without safeguards. Shame on me for doing it.. I got sloppy but it won’t happen again.

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