Sweden officially joins NATO : worldnews

[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 88 points 1 year ago

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[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 31 points 1 year ago

I blame the fact they built all these institutions with no clause to expel members, or which require total unanimity to do so. They really bought in to the whole "end of history" thing, I guess.

[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago

Yeah, this is an interesting element. Historically, allowing all members a veto, while also having no way to expel a member, means that any such institution is liable to outside meddling. The classic example is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberum_veto -- in the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, any noble could veto anything. So all it took was buying a few nobles and it shattered.

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[-] False@lemmy.world 68 points 1 year ago

Rad

[-] lauha@lemmy.one 27 points 1 year ago

Russia uses RadAway

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[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 year ago

I don't like the expansion of NATO, but due to Russia's recent imperialism, Sweden's and Finland's reactions are completely reasonable. A much healthier alternative would have been actually advancing towards an integrated European defense system involving EU members, with a door open to certain neighbours such as Norway, but it's pretty hard to do that when the political groups that could actually promote that alternative are schizophrenically tolerating positions such as "I'm a pacifist, so I'm advocating for my own country's disarmament despite my neighbours starting wars very recently" and "if Ukraine didn't want to get invaded, they shouldn't have sought guarantees against Russian aggression from third countries".

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[-] SevenOfWine@startrek.website 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do you know why NATO annexed Sweden?

[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

startrek website continuing to be the highest quality instance

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[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Thanks ~~Obama~~ Putin!

[-] ToastedPlanet 27 points 1 year ago

Huzzah! Welcome to the team, Sweden. We can all be self defense buddies together! =D

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

NATO loves to do Libya's, theyre not a self defense organization they're an imperialist alliance.

[+] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] wandermind@sopuli.xyz 77 points 1 year ago

Ah yes the US foreign policy of "not being invaded by Russia"

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[-] Oderus@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Fuck the tankies in here and praise UN and Sweden.

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

Russia locked out of the Balkan Sea now?

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

They have Kaliningrad.

[-] zik@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Kaliningrad's fairly strategically useless to them now that every surrounding country's NATO though. The Suwałki Gap between Kaliningrad and Belarus used to be pivotal in potentially re-taking control of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. It would have been very difficult for NATO defend them if Russia took the gap. But now those countries are protected by NATO countries all around so Kaliningrad's a lot less useful strategically. Not to mention that there's a strong Kaliningrad independence movement so they're struggling to control it internally as well.

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