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[-] False@lemmy.world 68 points 11 months ago
[-] lauha@lemmy.one 27 points 11 months ago
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[-] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 43 points 11 months ago

I don't like the expansion of NATO, but due to Russia's recent imperialism, Sweden's and Finland's reactions are completely reasonable. A much healthier alternative would have been actually advancing towards an integrated European defense system involving EU members, with a door open to certain neighbours such as Norway, but it's pretty hard to do that when the political groups that could actually promote that alternative are schizophrenically tolerating positions such as "I'm a pacifist, so I'm advocating for my own country's disarmament despite my neighbours starting wars very recently" and "if Ukraine didn't want to get invaded, they shouldn't have sought guarantees against Russian aggression from third countries".

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[-] SevenOfWine@startrek.website 41 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago

startrek website continuing to be the highest quality instance

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[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago

Thanks ~~Obama~~ Putin!

[-] ToastedPlanet 27 points 11 months ago

Huzzah! Welcome to the team, Sweden. We can all be self defense buddies together! =D

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

NATO loves to do Libya's, theyre not a self defense organization they're an imperialist alliance.

[-] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 24 points 11 months ago

A new member of the US foreign policy enforcement gang. Who's next?

[-] wandermind@sopuli.xyz 77 points 11 months ago

Ah yes the US foreign policy of "not being invaded by Russia"

[-] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 12 points 11 months ago

Russia can't even conquer a quarter of Ukraine. No chance they're going to invade Sweden, a country they don't even share a border with. Is Canada afraid of being invaded by Russia? Is France? Is the UK?

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 32 points 11 months ago

Have you learnt nothing from Hitler and WW2? Appeasement doesn't work.

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

I agree, the USSR assumed too much good faith on the part of NATO. Millions of casualties from economic devastation later, nationalist wars are still breaking out between former soviet states, and Nazism is on the rise.

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[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Have you learned nothing from WW1? Massive military alliances don't prevent wars.

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Notice you don't actually address appeasement doesn't work?

But as for ~~military~~ defence alliance (notice how you tried to misportray that?): Points to cold war.

Something tells me you're a Putin apologist.

You should listen to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History. WW1 was interesting.

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 11 points 11 months ago

Notice you don't actually address appeasement doesn't work?

Notice that I pointed out that your solution is something else that doesn't work?

(notice how you tried to misportray that?)

Oh fuck off with the smug smarmy shit nobody's impressed.

Something tells me you're a Putin apologist.

Putin has justified half of what he's done by playing the victim and whining about NATO expansion. He wants this, and you want him to have it.

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[-] wandermind@sopuli.xyz 9 points 11 months ago

Russia can't conquer even a quarter of Ukraine, and they still invaded Ukraine. Sweden and Finland know that Russia can't conquer them, and that knowledge has made them stay neutral in the past. But Russia has just shown with Ukraine that they might try anyway just because, and it's a huge pain in the ass for Ukraine and for everybody else in Europe too. So it's only natural that Sweden and Finland would like to avoid even being tried to be conquered by Russia.

And like we can see, the Russian invasion of Ukraine also impacts France, the UK, and Canada. It's not that these countries have decided to brainlessly follow the US. They want to support other countries who are at more risk of being invaded by Russia because countries being invaded by Russia is a huge pain in the ass for everybody in the region, not just the country being invaded. So their foreign policy goals simply happen to line up with the US goals.

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[-] Oderus@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Fuck the tankies in here and praise UN and Sweden.

[-] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 15 points 11 months ago

Russia locked out of the Balkan Sea now?

[-] someguy3@lemmy.ca 16 points 11 months ago
[-] zik@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Kaliningrad's fairly strategically useless to them now that every surrounding country's NATO though. The Suwałki Gap between Kaliningrad and Belarus used to be pivotal in potentially re-taking control of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. It would have been very difficult for NATO defend them if Russia took the gap. But now those countries are protected by NATO countries all around so Kaliningrad's a lot less useful strategically. Not to mention that there's a strong Kaliningrad independence movement so they're struggling to control it internally as well.

More here.

[-] Quastamaza@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

What a lousy website they have...

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