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[-] loics2@lemm.ee 50 points 8 months ago

I really wanted to like tidal, but honestly it's not really good. The search sucks, no offline mode on desktop, no official Linux client, an incomplete catalog...

It's not worth it, even if they are the least bad for paying artists.

[-] jul@feddit.de 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

honestly it’s not really good

*for you it isn't

the search sucks

what's wrong with it? works fine for me

no offline mode on desktop

why would you need it? it's supported on phones, just listen via phone?

no official Linux client

Neither does apple music. Tidal are open sourcing their SDK though

an incomplete catalog

*for you. for me there isn't

It’s not worth it, even if they are the least bad for paying artists

Again, for you. On paper, tidal is the better option and I rather support artists than some questionable monopolistic corporation

[-] tutus@links.hackliberty.org 40 points 8 months ago

This is perhaps the stupidest response I've read on Lemmy for a while. Nobody is entitled to an opinion these days.

Im expecting a response, quoting each paragraph I wrote, with only 'For you' as the text.

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[-] loics2@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago

Damn, you're shilling hard!

I don't want to use my phone for basic features like the offline mode, I'm not always connected to the internet on my laptop, that's it.

I don't care about Apple music, and almost every streaming platform provides some kind of SDK. It doesn't change the fact that I don't have a Linux client, and probably never will (or at least feature-complete) because they partly use Dolby Atmos, which is a closed-source licensed format.

And no, even on paper, tidal's not the better option to support artists. Buy tracks on Bandcamp, buy merch and vinyl directly from artists...

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[-] Stamau123@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Why would you waste your own time with a comment like this?

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[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You can use Plexamp as a Tidal client. I do this for offline music. Works on desktop too 🙂

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[-] Pinecone@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

The limited library was their biggest problem in my opinion. It's acceptable if you want mainstream, well known artists centered on appealing to North America but there were so many international and independent groups that weren't on the service. Higher quality streaming is only worth it if you can listen to what you like.

[-] rbits@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago

Yeah. The number one reason I won't subscribe is that if their library is missing a song, you can't even add it yourself. Both Spotify and Apple Music allow adding your own MP3s, how does Tidal not have that feature?!

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[-] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 31 points 8 months ago

I like Tidal because its interface isn't downright crap. What Spotify did to playlists and to the heart/cross button is so damn annoying.

[-] filcuk@lemmy.zip 13 points 8 months ago

I love the change. I have many playlists and it has made my life so much easier organising everything.

[-] tigerjerusalem@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

How does it work better for you? To me it's annoying, I cannot easily move folders around anymore, nor move playlists into folders if I'm not using the desktop app.

Also, the + (former ♥️ button) is the worst offender to me. I used to use the button to add a music to my big "liked" default list, the one that is more permanent, and the three dots to add it to a playlist, which are more fluid. So playlists come and go, and not every song on a playlist is the one i want on my definitive pool of "always wanted" songs.

Then someone at Spotify decided to say "fuck you users", and merged the + and three dots, making it harder to know if a song is already in my main "liked" list.

Say I have a playlist I created, the + button is now a ✅ button. It tells me the song is saved somewhere. I have to tap it to see where, which 1. is completely unintuitive, because tapping a check button would create me the expectation of uncheking it, but it instead shows me a list of playlists! What in the freaking hell? This is decades of UI convention thrown out the windows for a really bad concept.

And 2, being checked doesn't mean it's my favorite song, just that it is saved on some playlist. It's a mistery, which is only solved by tapping the schizophrenic +/✅ button, instead of simply saying to me "yep, you liked this song".

So... Yeah. I hate Spotify.

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[-] MasterHound@lemmy.world 30 points 8 months ago

Hope this is rolled out to other countries and not just the US.

[-] morbidcactus@lemmy.ca 12 points 8 months ago

I got the email in Canada, so yes? It's not uncommon for us to not get things when they do across the border.

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[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 30 points 8 months ago

Tidal also pays artists significantly more than Spotify/ Apple Music. So they're good-shittifying in both directions 🙂

[-] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Don’t forget that Apple Music also pays significantly more than Spotify. Just not as much as Tidal.

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[-] Retrograde@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Interesting, what is this "reverse enshittification" you speak of

[-] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Wipe-ification?

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[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I've been using Deezer for a while, but I've been looking to move to something else after they absolutely mutilated their UI and actively insulted any paying customer that complained.

Tidal seems like a good choice. I just dread the day they, too, get caught up in current trend chasing and redesign their app to look like a bubbly toy to hook the kids.

[-] astreus@lemmy.ml 19 points 8 months ago

Been using tidal ever since Spotify's Joe Rogan debacle. Main reason? They actually pay the artist. But the sound quality is a nice bonus as well! No regrets...other than people trying to share music with me by sending a spotify link!

[-] aleph@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

They still don't pay the artists all that much. No streaming services do.

If you genuinely want to support artists financially, you should buy their music outright through online stores like Bandcamp or Qobuz.

[-] astreus@lemmy.ml 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's true, but at least half the artists I listen to I would never have found if it weren't for streaming. Something is, after all, better than nothing.

And compared to the competition, Tidal's payments are good:

~30% more than Apple Music (0.01c)

~300% more than Spotify (0.003 - 0.005c)

~500% more than Soundcloud (0.0025c)

~1000% more than Pandora (0.00133c)

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[-] ominouslemon@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Qobuz has the most beautiful and serious-looking UI I've tried, I really love it. But I had to stop using it because there is no lyrics integration and some of my favorite (admittedly obscure) music was not there. But the UI is spectacular, especially on desktop.

Tidal's interface is simply good, nothing more and nothing less, and it's a more mature product overall with more features

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[-] EndHD@lemm.ee 24 points 8 months ago

The headline sounded good but the article lists a lot of negatives too. They're removing discounts for veterans/first responders, they recently laid off 10% of staff, and their price now matches Amazon and Apple. So don't mistake this for good intention; this is just a business' survival instincts taking over.

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[-] drivepiler@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

I read the email from Tidal four times and still didn't believe they weren't trying to fuck me over. Well, I'll be damned.

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[-] Electric_Druid@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

Any variation of "yep, you read that right" makes me instantly not care, idk

[-] ominouslemon@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago

It does sound clickbait-y and I guess that's why there are butthurt people in the comments. I guess its meaning is "literally everyone is raising prices, while Tidal is lowering them". TBF I also had to read the title again because it's pretty strange to see prices decrease

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[-] nick@midwest.social 18 points 8 months ago

Good news for the seven people who use tidal!

[-] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 months ago

I wish it was getting cheaper....I've been @ $6.35/month for their CD FLAC quality middle tier, with my veteran discount for a few years.

Has been perfect for my budget HiFi setup.

Now it's nearly doubling in cost, and they won't have the discount anymore....

[-] Renorc@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Tidal may not be the best streamer. It certainly does have its faults. But so do the others mentioned in these comments. For a subscription service to halve their rate is really unheard of. I appreciate it. This is really the type of pricing movement we need after so many years of out of control inflation. I wish Amazon, Disney, and Netflix would do something similar rather than endless cost increases without any improvement in services.

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[-] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 12 points 8 months ago

That's a pretty good price, if YT music ever takes away my $8 a month early sign up pricing I'll probably look at swapping over.

[-] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

Just do it now. Give your money to a company that actually supports artists in a consumer friendly way.

[-] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 14 points 8 months ago

Problem is I have this fantasy of being 95 years old and proudly showing my great great grandchildren how I get YT Music/Premium for $8 instead of the $695 everyone else pays.

That imagined sense of superiority from getting a good deal is pretty much the only thing that keeps me going some days.

[-] zaph@sh.itjust.works 19 points 8 months ago

Google services don't last that long, sorry.

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[-] andyburke@fedia.io 7 points 8 months ago

This won't happen, you'll just end up in a shittier world by giving Google more money.

I can't force you, but your $8 "deal" isn't worth it.

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[-] ardi60@reddthat.com 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Spotify vs Tidal vs Apple Music vs Youtube Music which one is better?

[-] jul@feddit.de 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Tidal is the most popular option for audiophiles. What I also like about it is the fact that they pay artists much more fairly than other platforms. According to this, they payout $0.013 per stream on average (which means $1 per 77 streams). Because I listen to a lot of unknown artists it is important to me to be on a platform where I can support those artists much more directly.

AFAIK Spotify only pays the overall most listened to artists like Taylor Swift etc. I canceled my Spotify subscription when Neil Young quit Spotify.

EDIT: because this is becoming a bit popular, for anyone looking to migrate from Spotify to Tidal, I recommend this simple to use python script to migrate your playlists. And because we have a lot of Linux users here, check out tidal-hifi.

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago

Is there a word for the opposite of enshitification?

[-] Toribor@corndog.social 7 points 8 months ago

engoodening

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[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Tidal seems to have decided that there just aren’t enough people willing to pay upward of $20 per month for the highest-possible audio fidelity.

At a high level, it sounds like this new, much simpler subscription model will still include all the perks — high-res FLACs, Dolby Atmos mixes, etc.

Now Tidal is caving and throwing in its large catalog of high-res tracks without demanding extra money on top.

With this move, Tidal could be trying to head off an eventual rollout of the rumored “Supremium” Spotify plan and avoid potential subscriber losses.

Either way, it’s an attempt to remain competitive in the streaming music landscape — or at least to stay relevant.

Tidal laid off 10 percent of its staff in December amid other cuts at parent company Block.


The original article contains 428 words, the summary contains 130 words. Saved 70%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[-] bitwolf@lemmy.one 7 points 8 months ago

Does this mean we're stuck with MQA? Or can we still forcibly use FLAC. I was on the lower tier purely to avoid MQA.

[-] ominouslemon@lemm.ee 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No, there is what Tidal calls "HiRes FLAC", which is 24-bit, 192 kHz. Their website does not even mention MQA anymore. They've moved away from MQA since early 2023, when the MQA company went bankrupt

[-] mellowheat@suppo.fi 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Awesome! I've been enjoying Tidal for a few months now, and now that it's starting to learn what I like, I'm starting to like its recommendations as well.

Here's hoping they keep staying on the relatively good side.

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