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submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by bozo@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world

Nintendo's full case filing


https://twitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1762576284817768457/

"NEW: Nintendo is suing the creators of popular Switch emulator Yuzu, saying their tech illegally circumvents Nintendo's software encryption and facilitates piracy. Seeks damages for alleged violations and a shutdown of the emulator.

Notes 1 million copies of Tears of the Kingdom downloaded prior to game's release; says Yuzu's Patreon support doubled during that time. Basically arguing that that is proof that Yuzu's business model helps piracy flourish."

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[-] kadu@lemmy.world 408 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I have a .zip containing the latest early access version of Yuzu, for Windows and Linux. It includes the emulator, all required decryption keys, the latest firmware for game compatibility, a tool to automatically download mods, and a convenient guide on how to acquire ROMs.

I will forever distribute this .zip in a non-limited download link to anyone who asks me. Forever. You can PM me today and I'll send it, you can PM me in 5 years and I'll send it. Please feel free to do so. It's not illegal to share where I live, so I'll share. But do it via PMs, as to avoid causing trouble to the community.

Again, forever. If you're reading this in the future, unless I'm dead (my mental health is a bit shaky), I'm sending you a fully functional Yuzu pack.

Have a nice day.

[-] 0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 62 points 8 months ago

Would you consider posting the SHA256 of the download so future pirates may cross reference with this comment thread? Y'arr.

[-] kadu@lemmy.world 79 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Good idea!

SHA256 (.zip): 81c3101348abff9eb7ca55bdb14464eb4b1011d288b3285c91a013a62a1fea94

SHA256 (most recent download link): 120288a5781e23f2c4767c6448a33f2803ab1d45943301441315aa20b78c7fc5

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[-] scarilog@lemmy.world 47 points 8 months ago

Hang in there, friend, there any many more Nintendo games coming that we must enjoy through piracy to stick it to Nintendo, don't leave just yet.

[-] kadu@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

Thanks! May we all enjoy gaming together :)

[-] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 28 points 8 months ago

I'm sorry to hear that your mental health is shaky at the moment. I hope things get better for you soon, friend.

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[-] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 201 points 8 months ago

God I hate Nintendo, I hate them so goddamn much it's impossible to find words to express myself.

[-] wintermutehal@lemmy.world 52 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

There are so many things that add up over time. I wouldn’t say I hate them just yet, but I‘be stopped buying their products. The way they go about their business just rubs me the wrong way. If the only way to try to communicate that is disengaging from any of their offerings, be it games or the new switch. Yea, I’m out.

[-] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 8 months ago

I feel the same. They are really disgusting , greedy and shitty company. I would not spend a single cent on their products.

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[-] Aleric@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

I will never not acquire Nintendo products on the open ocean.

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[-] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 130 points 8 months ago

the funniest shit about the paperowrk is that nintendo indirectly says nintendo is doing illegal work because they claim a video game emulator is a piece of software that allows users to unlawfully play pirated video games that were published for a specific console on a general purpose device.

they either have to say NSO/Nes/Snes classic are not emulation, or admit their definition of emulators is not the universally accepted definition of it, else Nintendo just Claimed Nintendo is serving up and charging for an unlawful service that is NSO.

[-] schmidtster@lemmy.world 53 points 8 months ago

FWIW you can lawfully play pirated games, so that means nothing.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 74 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
[-] schmidtster@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

That’s a funny one too me, because they are the original source when you dig your way down, so how are they doing anything wrong there?

Yeah it’s someone else’s work… which isn’t there’s anyways… so isn’t it always nintendos then?

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 124 points 8 months ago

18 million copies sold and they're pulling this bullshit. Fuck Nintendo at this point.

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 58 points 8 months ago

They could have sold 19 million copies though. Won’t someone think of the billion dollar corporations?

[-] PineRune@lemmy.world 42 points 8 months ago

I feel like a large number of the people pirating wouldn't have bought the game even if it was their only option. Then there's people who pirated and bought the game both. Unrealized profit is not the same as losing money.

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[-] Zellith@kbin.social 92 points 8 months ago

Emulators are not illegal. Fuck off Nintendo.

[-] bozo@lemmy.world 88 points 8 months ago

What's more, is that from these passages, it sounds like Nintendo even wants backups of games you have lawfully purchased to constitute copyright violation and made illegal (because they have to bypass encryption, therefore violating DMCA). I'm not fluent in legalese though, so correct me if I'm misinterpreting:

[-] evranch@lemmy.ca 54 points 8 months ago

These passages imply the writers of them lack basic computer literacy and don't even understand Nintendo's own systems.

  • "copied the game ROMs into Yuzu" Yuzu is not a VM or other container and the ROMs are simply stored on disk in their original dumped form... Yuzu doesn't "store" or "contain" any games.

  • "any copy not on an authorized cartridge" LOL! What about games downloaded from your own digital marketplace, then?

What about a game you downloaded from Nintendo eShop and stored on an external SD card, which is a standard and well supported storage method on Switch? Is that SD card an "authorized cartridge"?

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The authorized cartridge thing would hopefully be ignored due to several other times Nintendo tried to stop developers like Tengen from bypassing their licensing system and developing their own carts for the NES (you know those weird ones that were usually blue or black? Those were "illegal" in Nintendo's eyes but they lost every single case they took against them to try and stop them from being made).

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[-] the16bitgamer@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

Ah corporate Lawyer BS, pointing out what they want to be true and not pointing out the other. ROMs are legal under existing Copywrite laws under archival laws in the USA (117) and backup laws in Canada (29.24). The Americans have a bit more of a restricted way of using their archives, but that's not needs to be argued here, as it appears that Nintendo is blaming Yuzu for actions of the general consumer. It'll be like blaming your Network provider for allowing a user to download a movie, both legally and illegally, thus they should be punished for both actions.

I also love that Nintendo isn't not stating it's illegal here, just that it's infringing because it's not authorized.

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[-] Takina_sOldPairTM@lemmy.world 82 points 8 months ago

Fuck you, Nintendo.

[-] Grangle1@lemm.ee 69 points 8 months ago

Don't know how good a case Nintendo has here unless it can prove that Yuzu itself contains proprietary code that allows the ROMs to be played. If the decryption is being done on the ROMs' end, then that's just another reason to go after the ones dumping and distributing the ROMs. Nintendo couldn't even substantially stop Dolphin, and Dolphin actually had a decryption key straight from Wii firmware in it. Good luck to them, but they're likely going for the wrong legal target. Taking down what ROM sites they can (which would legally be a lot easier than the emulator makers) is just getting rid of drops in the ocean of the ROMs' spread, but they're the target Nintendo should be going after.

[-] poopsmith@lemmy.world 49 points 8 months ago

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Yuzu has any proprietary code. Folks have to go to other websites to download the Switch firmware and keys needed to play games.

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[-] kosanovskiy@lemmy.world 44 points 8 months ago

They don't, they just want legal money drain u til they cave. Nintendo is abusive af.

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[-] Epzillon@lemmy.world 53 points 8 months ago

Typical Nintendo move. So sad to see Yuzu possibly going down this way. Even looks like Nintendo might win this one. I'm just gonna download the entire source from GitHub just in case.

I wish this would just go full hydra mode if it goes down though. Start popping up new anonymous accounts releasing the source code everywhere.

[-] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago

Yuzu may go down, but Nintendo hasn't learned the lessons of the Streisand effect and the hydra effect. The code is open source. 10 more projects will pop up the day after Yuzu goes down (IF it goes down.)

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[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 48 points 8 months ago

I sincerely hope that Yuzu developers don't end up like Gary Bowser and have their income garnished for life by Nintendo.

[-] Essence_of_Meh@kayb.ee 29 points 8 months ago

As much as I dislike Nintendo and wish Yuzu devs all the best I'd like to point out that Bowser wasn't some innocent guy who was caught by big bad company - Moonie has a video that goes into specifics about his involvement with a pirate enterprise worth a shitton of money.

Other than that yeah, I hope they can survive this situation. I wonder if Ryujinx devs are next.

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 44 points 8 months ago

Booo! Nintendo sucks! This was decided 30 years ago. Emulation is not illegal.

[-] s0ckpuppet@kbin.social 19 points 8 months ago

Yeah and none of the switch emulator stuff I've seen comes bundled with the firmware. You have to track that down separately or dump your own from your Switch.

This sure looks like like a slapp suit to me.

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[-] toxicbubble@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago

maybe if their games went on sale more..

[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 62 points 8 months ago

"Fuck you, here's a switch port for a Wii U game. It's $15 more expensive than the original release because fuck you that's why."

-Nintendo

[-] ampersandrew@kbin.social 41 points 8 months ago

Maybe if emulating the game wasn't often better than playing it on the only hardware the game is made for...

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[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago

As the sweetest revenge maybe someone should leak all Switch games and DLCs into the public Internet.

[-] AGD4@programming.dev 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I Found It!

:)I reckon that's the point you were making?

[-] echo64@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

They might have a case if yuzu is actually decrypting switch software. That would be stupid of the developers, though. I would assume that they require you to provide decrypted games.

That's basically the only leg nintendo has to stand on here, but nintendo can out lawyer you into the poor house regardless.

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I've been holding off on jailbreaking my launch Switch until the next one is out, but I think the time has come.

EDIT: Aaand done. Biggest surprise so far is that there's a homebrew Pizza Tower port for it! This game really belongs on consoles.

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