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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by psylancer@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I'm really enjoying lemmy. I think we've got some growing pains in UI/UX and we're missing some key features (like community migration and actual redundancy). But how are we going to collectively pay for this? I saw an (unverified) post that Reddit received 400M dollars from ads last year. Lemmy isn't going to be free. Can someone with actual server experience chime in with some back of the napkin math on how expensive it would be if everyone migrated from Reddit?

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[-] Sharpiemarker@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago

By not asking the same question every single day.

[-] Krusty@feddit.it 4 points 2 years ago

There already is a question similar to this. You can find lots of ideas there :)

[-] pinwurm@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Wikipedia is the 7th most visited website in the world, more popular than Amazon, TikTok, even PornHub. It's not funded by advertisers or other bullshit - rather through reader donations.

With that said, Wikipedia is still centralized content whereas Lemmy isn't. Meaning there's fewer expenses and pressure on any one instance or server to succeed. And if one instance or server doesn't succeed, your access to the Federation is far from over.

[-] Debs@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Wikipedia is set up as a nonprofit. They have annual fundraising drives asking their users for money. They also have an endowment and receive grants.

A donation drive could be a good model but the decentralized nature of the platform would complicate things.

[-] redditors_re_racist@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Wikipedia is set up as a nonprofit. They have annual fundraising drives asking their users for money. They also have an endowment and receive grants.

when you donate money, you're not funding wikipedia's operating costs. wikipedia itself is self sufficient. what you're funding instead is the wikimedia foundation- which is set up to not receive grants but to give them.

the drives are misleading, to say the least

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[-] EdibleSource@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I would like to join a cooperatively owned instance.

I have been tempted to join cosocial.ca, however I don't care for microblogging (Mastodon) as much as something forum-like such as a Lemmy instance.

[-] howdy@thesimplecorner.org 3 points 2 years ago

I'm running a barebones server for myself and a few communities (not many subs yet) which will run for less than a Starbucks coffee a month... (Assuming I don't need more storage space... Lemmy seems pretty light. The main servers are gonna carry the load unfortunately... Beehaw.org had a transparency post about financials as of about a week ago they said something that their instance was costing like 50-75ish a month of I recall.

[-] fratermus@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

edit: misposted comment - see bizarre explanation below

  • westworld - lovely visuals
  • alias - excellent theme music
  • bojack horseman
[-] JohannesOliver@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately they’re all copyrighted so won’t work for income.

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[-] pproe@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

I know that it is not a popular topic in 2023 but a blockchain currency that allows users to 'award' posts/comments (similar to tipping in /r/dogecoin days) could provide instance owners with a source of income by taking a small portion of tips on their server.

Such a system would likely scale alongside user activity (read server load) and would encourage higher quality content. Would love to hear peoples thoughts on this.

[-] Sekoia 3 points 2 years ago

Why would it have to be blockchain? Plus like the other commenter said, that provides incentive to bot comments and such. Donation based stuff works fine.

[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Sounds good as long as it doesn't provide an incentive to pay for posts or comments to rise to visibility because then there'll just be advertising everywhere

[-] 00111010_01000100@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

Honestly I would hate that, but if that's what keeps the lights on then I'll deal with it. I would prefer to move to an anonymous donation model like Wikipedia but I'm skeptical that will work.

[-] luckystarr@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Put up a yearly donation drive (like Wikipedia) but unlike Wikipedia do:

  1. a competition between the various instances, on which collects the most donations
  2. not shift the page content when displaying the donation banner!

Ideally the donations will be handled through a non-profit org dedicated to this particular purpose. If the donation level is high enough, developers can be hired to further improve the source code. Currently the funds are managed through OpenCollective, but with enough growth this may not be feasible any longer.

This will most likely lead to heated debates as this will build a somewhat centralized organization, which necessarily comes with power concentration.

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[-] thestereobus@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Bank accounts and escrow and payment processors are complicated and require real companies with tax identifiers. Nobody is gonna set that up just to host an instance. IMO this is a perfect use case for crypto. Could be a monthly thing or micropayments. Maybe something a bit like the Basic Attention Token.

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[-] octet33@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

The thing is, Lemmy is decentralized. You don't need to have an account on an instance (server) to use that instance's "subreddits" (communities) - instances communicate their activity to each other automatically, so any instance will do (provided the instances haven't banned each other). It's just like email.

So it's pretty simple to just stop accepting sign-ups once an instance starts to become impractically large. Anyone can start an instance for just the cost of a domain ($10ish/year, or free if it's a subdomain of an existing website) and a server (that random computer you already have lying around will do just fine, for free). And a small instance can do fine on just donations and the good will of the operator.

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[-] itsmikeyd@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Really nice merch, with small logos on. Think how the LTT stealth stuff is.

[-] linuxduck@nerdly.dev 2 points 2 years ago

I bought a server for about 100 a year... With my whopping 2 users... It's overkill... So... My comment is a wasted way of saying idunno

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