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Israeli protesters block aid convoys bound for Gaza (www.france24.com)

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[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 92 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That picture, what the hell.

“Enemy” - you mean normal civilians.

EDIT: Since I’m getting downvoted for no reason (not that it matters on here though):

I mean that they protest/ refuse to give aid towards normal civilians. Normal civilians are not their enemies. They had nothing to do with it, these normal people want to live. Just like everyone else.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 59 points 8 months ago

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[-] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 21 points 8 months ago

They are acting like every other group of people who was given special status. History is littered with the same cautionary tale. You cannot give any group of people special protections over another. It will always end in the group abusing their power for their own gain. Saddam did it in Iraq, Al-Assad did it in Syria, all of the colonial powers did it in Africa and those are just recent examples.

[-] Bipta@kbin.social 18 points 8 months ago

Certainly not all of them fit this bill, just like how not all Americans are vicious Trump supporting lunatics.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 22 points 8 months ago

Israelis overwhelmingly support this "war", though. Not to mention the Israeli right is growing, not shrinking.

[-] vintageballs@feddit.de 11 points 8 months ago

What a stupid and historically blind take. Don't make excuses for Nazism and especially don't reduce the path to it to hunger.

[-] klisklas@feddit.de 6 points 8 months ago

Sorry, but Germans didn't turn into Nazis because oft the Depression. There was a lot that lead to to uprising of the Nazis. Read about the Peace of Versailles or in German "Schmach von Versailles". Also political culture in the Weimarer Republic which was massively focused on raw violence between the different groups. Read about deflation. Read about Franz von Papen and so on. Don't search for excuses for right wing extremism.

Saying the Israeli people is on the same page or worse than Hitler adds nothing to the conversation and is, at best, just wrong. Best regards, a German.

PS: Don't stop criticising the acts of the Israeli government and definitely the IDF, but stop generalising and making all Jews responsible. Otherwise you could also say that all Palestinians are Hamas.

[-] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

Can you refer to anything more specific? Your reading tips are so incredibly broad and would take hundreds of hours.

[-] klisklas@feddit.de 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

How good is the translation via Deepl or other tools? This should be a broad overview, but it's German.

You could also try English Wikipedia for more background.

Otherwise I wanted to make the point that comparing the Jewish people to the Nazis is wrong and only ads more oil to the fire. Criticise Israeli government, IDF, violent settlers, stupid people blocking neccessary aid for Gaza but don't fall in the antisemitism trap where Jewish people even in other countries are held responsible for the actions of a right wing government.

[-] stmcld@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

But Melkath never even mentioned jews. He specifically said Israelis throughout his post. And he pretty clearly compared the Israeli people to nazis, not what you said, which was comparing jewish people to nazis.

It feels like you're doing exactly what the German government is doing, which is equating criticism of Israelis and of Israel to antisemitism.

[-] klisklas@feddit.de 3 points 8 months ago

He called the Israeli people 'human trash' (Isreal considers itself state of the Jews). And he meant all of the Israeli people. What do you think this rhetoric leads to?

And as I stated multiple times above I am all in on criticising the Israeli gevernment and no I am not doing exactly what the German government is doing. I would argue for a stopping of all delivery of arms via the the German government and for a ceasefire asap. I see a huge problem with the way the Israeli government walked into the trap planted by Hamas and is now part of a war which may be labeled as a genocide. So why should you call all of the Israeli people 'human trash' when you could specify your criticism? It's the same as calling all Palestinians Hamas.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago

You missed, they get attacked almost daily.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 10 points 8 months ago

Yes. And their big robust US built defense systems block virtually all of those attacks, leading to virtually zero casualties or property damage, as they perpetually use big robust US built weapons to pummel the Gaza strip daily, where they have no defense systems, where constant massive loss of life and infrastructure are endured.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 2 points 8 months ago

Virtually zero is not only far from zero, it doesn't excuse constant aggression.

Hamas' incompetence isn't a defense.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 11 points 8 months ago

There is no excuse for genocide.

Stop advocating for genocide.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 3 points 8 months ago

It's not a genocide. It could easily be one given the technology difference. It's clearly not one.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 10 points 8 months ago

You are incorrect.

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[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

The amount of bullshit you spew on a regular basis is pretty impressive. Your comment history is like an Israeli propaganda primer.

"It's not a genocide, they're just killing more civilians than combatants and starving out the population by blocking humanitarian aid, just like past genocides. But this one is different because it you object you're automatically an anti-semite!"

Sure.

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[-] GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Right cuz 30,000 dead in 4 months is nothing. Did you think a genocide means every Palestinian is dead in 4 months? If that happened, every country on earth would have declared war on israel two months ago and every israeli official would be in prison for crimes against humanity.

As it is, the vast majority of scholars and countries do recognize it as a genocide and even America, israels biggest supporter, is saying maybe they should stop the killing of innocent civilians.

If the pace of killing and bombing keeps up for another year, I could guarantee a million Palestinians would be dead. Give me an exact number that israel has to reach before you admit it's a genocide. Seriously, give me a number.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 37 points 8 months ago

I call bullshit and shenanigans. You're telling me Israel's police can't clear a road for aid trucks to get through? This is weaponized incompetence writ large. Israel never wanted to open the crossing.

[-] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 13 points 8 months ago

This same shit worked for the Azeri government for like a year until they finished their genocide.

[-] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 17 points 8 months ago

The people chosen by god himself

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

Chosen to be selfish a-holes

[-] PurpleGreen@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You forgot our sons, daughters and friends were massacared and kidnapped by Hamas and even by regular civs. So be sure we would not want to feed the hand that bite us and teach their sons to hate and kill us. Hamas and other countries can care for them (but they prefer to leave their people and run away in their tunnels), we should care for ourselves and our hostages first, if you want the war to stop and for them to get their aid release the hostages first. Such a shame you try to paint it like that, yet we still aid them even though what I wrote. Be sure no other country would do the same.

[-] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 24 points 8 months ago

You forgot you're a colonizer

[-] PurpleGreen@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, colonizer... same useless words. You are just antisemite. Israel has existed since 3000 years ago as the home/kingdom of the jewish ppl. Ofc we could live in peace if the palestinians didn’t terror us. Most of the world propaganda will always be against us. After what happend don’t expect us to be moral to those terrorists.

[-] FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago

To be called an antisemite by someone who applauds the genocide of 20k children is an honor. Rot in shit

[-] PurpleGreen@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

When did u see that I applauded that? But don’t expect us to give them flowers neither. You are just hatred in your comments while I told you what really happens here.

Keep faking numbers taken from terror organization. Believe all their lies.

What about our children? Our ppl? Hostages still there, the people which were killed, raped, I personally know a pregnant woman which was killed and her belly cut open. You don’t care. I care.

If you want you can join Hamas and their cause next time to impose your fake morality, be a “liberator” by taking drugs and stealing money from the palestinians, leave them in shithole and praise the death and war by killing us. But then don’t complain when we attack back, ok?

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[-] kusukasaka281@lemmy.id 10 points 8 months ago

You should do DNA test, check if your ancestors came from eastern europe or not.

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[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

It's telling of your lack of character that you hide behind claims of antisemitism.

You and those like you are absolutely the worst kind of people. Not Jews, but colonizing subhuman scum that hides behind lies of persecution as they systematically persecute and kill men, women, and children for their land and resources.

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[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 19 points 8 months ago

You forgot our sons, daughters and friends were massacared and kidnapped by Hamas

You forgot their sons, daughters, and friends were massacred by Israel. Even as Israel snuck unmarked suitcases of cash to the group responsible. Their lives so brutal they struggle to live to the ripe old age of 30. But yeah it must be hard for you. Those victims aren't going to blame themselves. And you sure aren't actually going to blame those responsible.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

Yup, you are right. No other country would be as barbaric as you are

[-] PurpleGreen@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

north korea, syria, russia, yemen, darfur, china do u want me to continue? We are not barbaric by any means, we still give gazans humanitarian aid and check before hitting targets for civs. You just impose ur fake moral standards while we defend ourselves, talk with me when you will be at grave war. Let’s see if you will handle 240 ppl kidnapped from their homes and 3000 massacared ppl in a day better.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 17 points 8 months ago

Yup, all countries would handle it better than killing 29000 civillians in cold blood.

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[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

92% of the fatalities in Gaza are civilians. You do realize you're on the Internet, right? You can verify what you're discussing instead of just repeating the comforting propaganda you've chosen to believe. Just remember that propaganda doesn't change reality. You're a country of murderers and supporters of murder.

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[-] filister@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

By starving millions of them, displacing them, killing them and destroying their homes, bringing them to the edge.

Good job, Israel, you definitely know how to make friends for life!

And on another note, look at you, you are a far right supporter, you generalise all the Palestinians so please do not expect any better from them. If you think you have been through hell, think of their lives since the 7th of October. I bet your life has been much more comfortable than theirs. So if you hate them, don't expect them to love you.

And I really hope you** realise how hypocritical in this case you are?

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