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[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Why Mozilla? You had so much good faith

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[-] Kraiden@kbin.social 16 points 9 months ago

Tell me you don't understand your userbase without telling me you don't understand your userbase

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 9 months ago

oh good firefox. Wonder what other browser i can use, oh wait...

Can someone just make a minimalist browser that isn't chrome/firefox based?

[-] force@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There are plenty of browsers. Dillo, NetSurf, surf, w3m, Lynx, Links, Via, Midori, Pale Moon although it's based on a fork of Gecko, Tunnel, qutebrowser. And there are even options for a search engine, although the only one worth considering that isn't just a layer on top of other search engines is Kagi which costs $10 a month, and I wouldn't exactly call it minimalist.

The problem is that no browser can allow you to escape the horror that is web standards & practices that have been developed over decades and are almost unchangeable, without sacrificing basic web functionality and just making it a worse experience than it needs to be at least. The fact is that practically the entire web is reliant on JavaScript, on top of HTML and CSS which take a lot more resources to utilize/display than it looks, meaning 3 interpreters constantly running that must be sandboxed to each tab you have open with a lot of overhead to manage security.

In an ideal world we'd all just be using provably-safe high-performance compiled WASM-but-stronger (from functional languages or more likely Rust or something less boiler-platey but similar), without having such a complex and fucked dependency situation*, where we wouldn't need to sandbox interpreted languages and slaughter performance. Of course, in an ideal world, we also wouldn't have to be concerned about aggressive tracking, ads, clickbait, SEO abuse, scams, or even malware, so there's not much use in imagining a reality where we actually have quality web browsing.

The actual answer to using the web without the fucked-ness of browsers is to not use a web browser at all for sites you use frequently. Use stuff like this instead.

*seriously, you can write the most basic website with JavaScript and it'll probably rely on tens of thousands of expressions of code which realistically should just be expressable in like a small page or two, you do webdev and you'll probably accidentally be implicitly committing a sacrifice to some Aztec God in order to check if a number is even or odd

Also just imagine if all of web dev was just ML/Scala/Rust/Swift/Erlang without compiling to JavaScript 🤤 That is the definition of a perfect universe

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[-] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 11 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately none. Developing a rendering engine that can handle css, html, javascript, while also rendering a website in the exact same way as Chrome and Firefox is a huge tasks, and not something a hobby programmer can whack out in a few weeks. Thats the reason why even Microsoft abandoned their own rendering engine, because things did always look and work different in IE.

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[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

Lol when that airbnb fuck took over I knew things were going to go south.

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

90% of these comments didn't even read the article. Its local only, and doesn't even send data to mozilla.

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[-] kakes@sh.itjust.works 15 points 9 months ago

Yeesh people here are salty.

Honestly, if they make it optional and/or give the option to run it locally, I could see this being a good thing.

Lord knows the competition is going full bore on AI, and if FF wants to stay relevant with the mass market they'll need to keep up.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It depends on what they mean by AI. I can think of oodles of great uses:

  • An AI-powered adblock that removes all trackers, cookie confirmation popups, those annoying “please subscribe” popups, etc. would be badass. It would be virtually invisible but it would make the internet usable again.
  • A content filter that magically extracts the recipe you’re looking for out of the stupid blog post they write for SEO
  • Or to expand on that, an AI that goes through the page of search engine results and removes the ones that are SEO spam instead of actually useful content
  • An AI that can review at a page or email and determine if it’s a scam would save a TON of people by pointing out suspicious features.
  • Basically anything that requires you to copy data from one context to another is a good use of AI. You could probably have a nice resume-filling feature, for example.

But yeah, Mozilla will probably just go for a “chat with your browser” feature. Total waste of space.

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[-] SineNomineAnonymous@lemmy.ml 14 points 9 months ago

Long time FF user, things really aren't looking good for Mozilla as a whole.

[-] kalkulat@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Looks like I'll need to switch to one of those browsers that only take and show characters I can type on a keyboard. Like F and U.

[-] grubders@sopuli.xyz 10 points 9 months ago

i thought mozilla new CEO would be better but heck no, sounds like i'll be hoping around in webkit browsers

[-] spaduf@slrpnk.net 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

So frustrated to see how this conversation is playing out. This is exactly what people have been asking for but all anybody can seem to see is "AI" in the headline.
This pivot is about refocusing on:

  • The Browser
  • Privacy
  • Ethical AI

This seems like a much better position for Mozilla to operate from, particularly because they've excelled at producing ethical SOTA ML for YEARS before ChatGPT. In all, this seems far more forward looking than the previous strategy of "make weird little web tools to make money maybe" and it's an absolutely massive untapped niche, that they already have the talent to tap into. If we punish the players best positioned to shift the industry standard away from extreme and exploitative data collection, we will end up in exactly the Orwellian AI hellscape that we're all so afraid of.

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[-] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 9 points 9 months ago

Oh god dammit

[-] yojimbo@sopuli.xyz 9 points 9 months ago

Firefox on Android doesn't support keyboard shortcuts - for the last 12 years. Sooo - let's add the bloody AI, that is going to help

[-] Blisterexe@lemmy.zip 7 points 9 months ago
  1. They're not adding ai to Firefox, at least that's not what the memo said, the memo said they were refocusing on Firefox (firing people who worked on their metaverse thing for example), and doing so on the side.
  2. They specifically stated that Firefox mobile is a big focus moving fowards
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[-] LightDelaBlue@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago
[-] hatsa122@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Plz not you mozilla, you are one of the last good guys that remains from the early days

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[-] WallEx@feddit.de 7 points 9 months ago

I get that people are upset, because this fucking buzzword is haunting us. I'm just hoping that they don't jump on that BS-bandwaggon and create something actually useful. But we'll see I guess ...

[-] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 9 points 9 months ago

Yeah, it's a hate-train for AI, I definitely get it, but Mozilla seems to be using it for actually useful things. Offline translation and fake reviewing checking for Amazon are pretty cool, in my opinion. Don't get me wrong, I'm not brand loyal, and I'm ready to jump ship to a FLOSS alternative as soon as they do something stupid. I'll just keep using Firefox until they do.

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