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Do you miss phones with replaceable batteries? By 2027, you won't anymore because, by law, almost every smartphone will have them again.

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[-] sneezy@lemm.ee 97 points 1 year ago

Remember that consumers expect certain things from smartphones nowadays, which will mean that OEMs can’t just go back to the old way of doing things. An IP68 rating would be very difficult to obtain while still offering a premium-feeling device with an easily replaceable battery, for example. These are hurdles OEMs will need to get over to be in compliance.

this is straight-up BS. there were many phones with ip68 and user-replacable batteries back when sealing the battery in a phone was frowned upon. not all but many.

[-] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 65 points 1 year ago

The term "premium-feeling" does a lot of heavy lifting in that paragraph, one might almost say that it's a bit subjective.

[-] Dirk_Darkly@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago

It's true though. I've become very accustomed to the premium experience of being forced to use premium apps and services that don't work half the time in a very premium manner.

[-] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

I think it would be pretty premium if I could have a spare battery on the charger for a quick swap rather than relying on a cable to charge my phone.

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[-] kanathan@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I scuba dive and have multiple pieces of equipment with replacable batteries that are good down to 500+ ft. Not only do some of them get opened frequently, and without replacing seals or anything, but they're also all way cheaper than my phone! Anyone who says you can't easily meet an IP68 rating on a phone with replacement batteries is full of shit.

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[-] rm_dash_r_star@lemm.ee 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Producers got away with going to non-replaceable batteries because "most" people replace their phone before the battery wears out. Only a portion of consumers have a problem with it.

I'm sure there's a few of us that can comfortably get six years off a phone. In fact the phone I'm currently using is coming up on three years. I could probably get another three years out of it, but I'm going to have to replace it soon because of battery wear.

Non-replaceable batteries are bad for the consumer and bad for the environment. It forces obsolescence putting more financial strain on consumers and increases environmental impact with higher production and waste.

A phone replaced before three years could be sold second hand with a battery replacement. Otherwise consumers could keep a phone twice as long. So they're basically doubling the rate of production and waste to squeeze as much money as possible out of the consumer. Then there's zero regard for the environment. But you know that's typical of how corporations do business, rape the Earth, screw the consumer. We have to keep a leash on these guys.

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[-] Nioxic@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Its NOT just smartphones

Its damn near everything!

Electric cars, other electronics etc

Some are just not "user replacable" (such as a cars batteries)

this law will change all iPhones. It will also change all tablets, laptops, EVs, e-bikes, and anything else with a rechargeable battery

Headphones, gaming mice, gaminh controllers. Its gonna be great

[-] rmuk@feddit.uk 21 points 1 year ago

The big one at the moment - at least in the UK and IMHO - is disposable vapes. I see them everywhere, just tossed on the ground or at the side of the road. The reason I see them is because of their flashing blue LEDs still running, meaning there's at least a working battery and support circuitry in there. It's disgusting that something like that is tolerated. I'm hopeful that the requirement to have user-replacable batteries will eliminate them by making them uneconomical compared to standard vapes.

[-] NoRodent@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I don't understand why disposable vapes are even legal at all. I mean we banned friggin' plastic straws but this thing is fine?! Who even came up with such a terrible product in current times?

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[-] RagingNerdoholic@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 year ago

* in Europe

Tim Cook can suck a fat one.

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[-] Raglesnarf@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again (someone else definitely said this before me) I’m totally fine with a user replaceable battery but I don’t really need a “hot swappable” battery. Don’t you guys remember the old memes where an android phone is dropped and the Lego brick breaking sound effect is used from the Lego video games. I’m ok with a semi sealed device for water resistance and what not. It would just be nice to be able to replace the battery when the time comes

[-] Gompje@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

The memes I don’t remember but … I’m old. And..

Reading this gave me an instant flashback of dropping my old Ericsson on a train and it just .. lost all its parts! Man that was 😱

Yes I had to hunt for: the battery, the battery cover and the SIM card! In those days the latter was bigger than we have now but very expensive.

To be honest: hot swappable wasn’t all that cool or user friendly at all. You had the dropping issue, the dirt and grime got in the cracks causing it to loose contact. Just like a mouse ball back in the day. All that and .. when it was time to change it, never found a replacement and the phone was just outdated anyway.

Now all those different chargers we had? That was the real nightmare. Man! Very glad that is solved, even with the mess usb-c is.

I fear this is again one of those rules politician’s make without any knowledge; or they just ignore reality. Per usual.

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[-] Deelala0516@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I just hope the battery doesn't cost as much as a new phone would.

[-] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The EU almost forced the phone industry to start using standardised/interchangeable batteries.

If the batteries cost as much as a new phone, they'll reconsider that decision.

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[-] Tequila@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

One of my phones battery became swollen and hated not being able to change it without removing the adhesive stuck backing, camera, wireless charging cable, brackets preventing battery cable to be removed normally, battery being adhesive stuck to the battery slot. I hope all phones go back to removable batteries.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Good. I also read appliances (like your electric toothbrush or headphones) will also have to follow this guidance. This should make it easier to repair and recycle electronics.

[-] eggshappedegg@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago

It's not so much the batteries for me but the USB C port that has been my main issue and that damn humidity/water sensor that thinks that I've dipped my phone in water when I haven't

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[-] Bleach7297@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 year ago

This is the best news I've read in a while. Hopefully the US (or at least Cali) jump on board as well.

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[-] Lemmyatem@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

Shame this can’t happen for memory and storage.

[-] gaybear@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

also for headphone jacks in the future too...

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[-] ljdawson@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Wonder how waterproofing will hold up

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Depends on how important it is to customers. Waterproofing was always just an excuse to seal the case and make repairs harder, and wasn't a feature that the market demanded. We always had waterproof phones for people who needed them. You can seal a battery compartment to IP68 with a bit of effort, and IP44 is essentially what you need to put it in your pocket anyway.

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[-] jacksalssome@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

The Samsung S5 has an IP67 rating and the battery on that was easy to replace.

If you drop either phone they are probably just as likely to be compromised.

I could see a latch that you need the sim ejector to open. Something that still very secure, but possible for an user user to replace with out the need of a freaking heat gun. While still keeping the design.

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[-] p5f20w18k@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I wonder how apple will react to this

[-] sini@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

Apple fanboy here… but they’re probably gonna market the feature with some cool new trendy name and make the battery replacements proprietary.

[-] OrangeCorvus@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

It will be built from the ground up 😂

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[-] AdamSmasher@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

$300 battery for your iPhone

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[-] makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Guaranteed Apple will have code that says:

If phone > 2 years old:

Slow down phone

If battery changed:

Slow down phone

Etc

They'll still make you buy a new phone. Don't you worry about that.

[-] Ds4zkMjT@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I mean fuck Apple and all but what they were doing with downclocking the CPU of phones with aging batteries was absolutely a good thing for users.

If they didn't do that, the phones would have randomly shut off as the voltage dropped. Their misstep was not telling people about it.

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[-] Naatan@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago

I'm looking to upgrade my iPhone 11 for no reason other than the battery life is starting to bug me. None of the features released since the 11 hold any interest for me, I literally just want more battery life. Looks like that'll cost me about $1000 if I want to stay with iOS. Absolutely insane.

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[-] calvinklein97@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago

I am curious how Apple will get around that this time. I’m almost sure this will be as funny as the whole story about the USB-C cables

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[-] malchior@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Good, no reason why my Pixel 6 shouldn't last until I accidentally drop it instead of the slow death of worsening battery.

[-] Tag365@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Does this mean they'll mandate SD card slots and headphone ports too?

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[-] feifei@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

However, there is an exemption for high-performing and durable batteries until 2027. This means devices with high quality batteries that retain over 80% of their capacity after 1000 charge cycles do not need to comply with the removable battery requirement until 2027.

So premium phones like the iPhone would be exempt.

[-] iwidji@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I don't think you said anything differently? The article said ALL batteries must comply by 2027. You appeared to say high performing batteries don't have to follow the law until 2027. Both of these statements, the original post and your revision, are true -- all phones, including high performing batteries, must comply in the EU by 2027.

[-] EunieIsTheBus@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago

Yurop did it again.

[-] feck_it@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

They would just "underdevelop" other areas to make their phone "breakable" or "prone to accidents". I am not that hyped because of that.

[-] Jat620DH27@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago
[-] BastingChemina@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 year ago

It's only the EU bit these kind of law tend to impact products all around the world.

Maintaining different products for different markets is difficult and expensive. Making the battery replaceable is not very hard to do so it's easier to produce one kind of product with replaceable battery for the whole world rather than maintaining two different production lines.

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