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Sudo is coming to Windows 11 (devblogs.microsoft.com)
submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by starman@programming.dev to c/technology@lemmy.world

Hello Windows Insiders, today we are releasing Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 26052 to the Canary and Dev Channels.

Insiders in the Canary Channel will receive Build 26052.1000 while Insiders in the Dev Channel will receive Build

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[-] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 179 points 7 months ago

"Let's give our new command line app the same name as a popular linux command even though it's not the same app and behaves differently. I'm sure our users would appreciate it when they have problem with the app and trying to search the solution later."

[-] stoy@lemmy.zip 69 points 7 months ago

To be consistent with Powershell's command structure, they should call it "Get-Access" or something similar...

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 71 points 7 months ago

Given the horrible verbosity of PS utils, I'd expect they just abandon subtlety and call it Substitute-User-Do-Operation

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[-] starman@programming.dev 40 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

"Because we are Microsoft, the company known for giving its products perfectly reasonable and not confusing names"

[-] mynamesnotrick@lemmy.zip 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Sentinel, Defender (not the AV, lol), Entra. I hear these daily in meetings and don't know what the hell they are. (Not my job)

[-] egonallanon@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

Sentinel is MS's SEIM product, defender is likely people referring to their paid av offering, Entra is what they renamed AzureAD recently which is their identity management platform. Not sure why they renamed the last one azureAD was a good name for it.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 7 months ago

Maybe because they were getting tired of hearing from admins frustrated that Azure AD still doesn't have full feature parity with "normal" AD? Now it's clearly a separate product at least.

[-] Deebster@programming.dev 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I think Google's the worst for this. Examples such as the browser Chrome, when browser chrome has been a thing for a long time. Go, a very common verb and keyword and also now a programming language. Not to be confused with their Go Links, which was a URL shortener. And then there's all the ones they either rebrand or retire and/or replace.

Perhaps they want confusing names because they think other search engines can't handle the ambiguity.

[-] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 6 points 7 months ago

To be honest, other programming languages aren't named any better

Pascal is just a common name, Rust is a common noun, Java is an island which you cannot find by searching for just its name, Python's a snake, C# is a musical note and C is just a letter.

[-] Nyfure@kbin.social 23 points 7 months ago

afaik they also alias common linux/gnu commands like curl.. but the syntax isnt like curl at all

[-] OmnislashIsACloudApp@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago

I definitely spent a frustrated 45 minutes trying to figure out why curl wasn't working when it was supposed to be supported in PowerShell.

then I hit tab a couple of times and noticed curl.exe was an option, that works exactly the same as I had expected with original syntax.

they do this to a lot of things though a lot of common commands end up being an alias to a powershell command with a specific option set that doesn't always line up

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I wonder which sudo Bing will default to find 🤔

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Phil Collins, probably.

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[-] krimson@feddit.nl 75 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
[-] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago

Sudo is the "please" of Linux.

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[-] Liome@pawb.social 65 points 7 months ago

Windows is not in sudoers file. This incident will be reported.

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[-] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 47 points 7 months ago
[-] Glitchington@lemmy.world 34 points 7 months ago

They are tired of right clicking Command Prompt to "Run as Administrator". They've been doing it for decades, they can have one tiny piece of QoL improvement.

[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 43 points 7 months ago

I bet you not even sudo could remove edge. edge is like the breathing lungs and thinking brain and balls of computer

[-] javasux@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

HTTP is stored in the balls

[-] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

"This action is forbidden. The incident has been reported."

And then MS sends goons to your house to break your legs

[-] isles@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

That's an unpalatable response - instead you're sentenced to 10 hours of Browser Reeducation classes

[-] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

You used to be able to >winget uninstall Microsoft.Edge

But the problem is Edge would still come back every time Windows had an update.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 39 points 7 months ago

And, knowing Windows, won't let you do as much as a real sudo would anyway. There are so many f-ing things that even Admin is not allowed to do on a Windows box, it is simply annoying. "Oh no, you cannot remove Edge! This would threaten the stability of the universe!"

[-] BaardFigur@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

"Oh no, you cannot remove Edge! This would threaten the stability of the universe!"

We'll be able to in April, due to EU regulations 🥳

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Amazing, isn't it? Just a bit of legal pressure, and impossible things suddenly are easy to do.

[-] HarriPotero@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago

Do you remember when Microsoft tried to patent sudo?

Pepperidge farm remembers.

[-] psud@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Sounds exactly like the common graphical implementations of sudo

[-] xavier666@lemm.ee 28 points 7 months ago

It is an ergonomic and familiar solution for users who want to elevate a command without having to first open a new elevated console.

Yeah Microsoft, how exactly is it familiar for Windows users? 😜

[-] taanegl@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Finally. Although, I bet it's going to be one of these looongass PS OO commands, with an alias tied to it.

Probably Escalate-RegularUserPrivelige and smack a mandatory -Confirm argument in there as well, just to be annoying.

[-] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 18 points 7 months ago

Although you have to admire that PowerShell at least attempts to define a common set of verbs and vocabulary.

[-] taanegl@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Fair enough. I just wish shorthand was the standard.

[-] egonallanon@lemm.ee 15 points 7 months ago

The trick to powershell is to make incredibly liberal use of tab completion to speed yourself up. Or make aliases for commands you use really often.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 months ago

Yeah, I get that it can be a pain to type long commands out the first time, but if you're using a terminal or an editor without tab completion in 2024 then you've chosen to do things the hard way.

[-] Toes@ani.social 15 points 7 months ago

This has been needed since Windows XP SP2.

Glad to see they've finally started doing their backlog tickets.

[-] kometes@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

alias sudo=runas

Wow, so exciting.

[-] farcaller@fstab.sh 12 points 7 months ago

Honestly, it's hardly newsworthy given how sudo was a thing in windows for quite a while now. I use it pretty often, especially sudo pwsh for elevated shells.

[-] nix@merv.news 9 points 7 months ago

Its been a thing for a while on windows 10 as well https://github.com/gerardog/gsudo

[-] ransomwarelettuce@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

I been using gsudo for quite sometime, the default way to leverage privaliges in Windows is cancer, the whole shell is tbh.

[-] Granixo@feddit.cl 8 points 7 months ago
[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

ah finally our imposters are in senior positions

[-] Curdie@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Do ssh-copy-id next please.

[-] Phrey@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 7 months ago
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[-] BaardFigur@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Fuck yeah. I already use gsudo on my private Windows installation, but I didn't install it on my work PC for obvious reason. Now I get to use it there as well. Fantastic

[-] devilish666@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Honestly idc about sudo in windows bc i already disable the UAC totally, so... everything in my windows run as root like Windows XP era

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 7 months ago

You do you, but it's not anywhere as rough of an experience leaving it enabled as things used to be back then. This also exponentially increases the risk factor that some malware will fuck your shit right up.

I also wouldn't advertise it either. Like telling facebook that you never lock your door.

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[-] callmepk@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

I just use Scoop’s sudo

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