Thunderbird is a great alternative to Outlook.
And when they figure out how to serve ads on IMAP, you can take thunderbird to another provider.
I don't think it'll actually come to that, due to popularity, but I can see them blocking IMAP access on new accounts due to 'security'.
Exchange was always the EEE to standard mail/calendar protocols. They have a path towards that.
They’ve already moved Active Directory to the cloud, they’re normalizing “Microsoft owns your accounts, even business ones”. All the content on Teams lives on Azure, and I believe SharePoint is doing the same.
Microsoft is EEEing the Fortune 500.
What is eee?
Embrace Extend Extinguish
Really? I've heard it kinda sucks these days. I used to use it years back though and am a big Firefox supporter.
I've used Thunderbird for years, and still do. I love it.
IMAP, 30GB account, contacts and calendar synced with our Nextcloud server. Can search for a term and receive a list of emails going back years instantly.
I can open Thunderbird, search for an email from 2016, and be replying to it faster than my wife's identical PC can even finish loading the Outlook splash screen (may contain traces of hyperbole).
Holy shit. I just googled Thunderbird and it is looking sleek AF.
I couldn't use it in the past at work since they only supported "modern" auth methods and no IMAP/pop3.
Firefox didn't support it back then and I was stuck with evolution. Which isn't bad functionally. It just still looks like it was designed in the 90s.
I'm not using any email client privately atm. But it's nice to see the UI also got some love.
Huh good to know. Thanks for the details!
No. A year or two ago they did a big redesign and added a lot of functionality. Of course, whenever you have changes to a software there will be some stuffy old dudes crying about it. So everywhere you look there are people who are upset because the interface is different from what they were used to even though it is way more modern and much more useful, and better for users - especially new users.
I have only used it briefly but it seems decent at first glance. On par with any other major client (MacOS mail, outlook etc)
Though I tend to only read email on my phone, these days. That's why I haven't used it much.
I recently switched to it from Outlook and while it lacks some of the features of Outlook, it’s not a bad replacement.
the recent changes to thunderbird are welcome improvements. you should give it another shot.
As is Mailspring
Email spam is already bad enough I don't need that shit built in
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A couple of weeks ago I tried Outlook 365 when Windows Mail made me mad for the 1000th time because it has issues to actually send the E-Mails from one of my accounts…
Anyway, outlook started and of course just added my Microsoft Account ignoring all other accounts that could’ve been imported from Windows mail. There was a new mail so I clicked it. Although Firefox is my default browser, edge opened and there was a website. It took me multiple seconds to realize that Microsoft just baited me to click an ad and earn a couple of cents.
I got so angry that I installed thunderbird. If I compare it with older releases from a couple of years ago it did get a whole lot better. I’m very happy.
Windows gave me so many reasons in the last months that I also ditched it completely. Running Linux Mint now and just like thunderbird it is so much more refined if I compare it with the past…
Paying money for crappy subscription based software like office (need it for work) and still getting ads was definitely the no 1 reason to switch.
Nice, now you have to pay for giving your data to Microsoft, lol. Who would do that?!
Just a few hundred million people, I guess.
One must consider all who use outlook for business, there is no ads and I believe the say even no tracking. 🤷🏻♀️ so yea, I use outlook as well, but not because I want and not with ducking ads.
Just to clarify: there’s Outlook (M365) which is just the old Outlook, both as an app and webapp. Then there’s New Outlook, which looks like old Outlook but is a different, incomplete and hot garbage replacement for Windows Mail, Calender etc. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook_com/forum/all/new-outlook-vs-outlook-in-microsoft-365/e367b524-b637-49ac-8405-3d801af343c1
Well the "old" outlook included in M365 has now the option to „try new outlook“ which I activated. It looks like the Outlook in the screenshot (and like the web version of outlook) How many versions of outlook are there now?! 🤣
It actually is the web version, iirc
Vermont can outlaw billboards across the state, but when it comes to everything digital, it seems like nothing's safe. We cannot even check out email on a dedicated email client application without being subjected to ads, both in the form of spam emails, marketing lists, and now even ads from the program itself.
IMO the government should be stepping in to regulate where ads can be placed, just like Vermont did with billboards.
I'll just leave this here: https://www.thunderbird.net/
Damn, this looks WAY better than when I used Thunderbird in 2020. Gonna have to give it another try on my work laptop since I use Outlook there.
So protonmail is pretty cool.
Made the switch last year from Gmail and I love it. I set up a custom domain and a catch all address as well, so I can give out whateveriwant@mydomain.com as an email and it gets to me. Particularly nice for finding out who's sharing my information, as well as picking out phishing emails. Banking coming in from amazon@mydomain.com? Immediate red flag.
I do not understand why anyone would use Outlook when thunderbird is free and, in my experience, much more functional.
Prior to this new version of Outlook, Outlook was much more functional than Thunderbird and it wasn’t close. That being said while a year ago I’d say you were smoking dope, as of right now you are correct, new Outlook sucks.
Ah, I have only used both a relatively small amount, and from my experience I think thunderbird is more functional, flawed though my perspective may be. In what ways has outlook been more functional, from your perspective?
I pay for a plugin so I can use Thunderbird with the exchange server (and 2FA) my office has. Best purchase in a long time, I think it's like a dollar a month or something, pretty cheap.
Yeah this was an immediate no from me on my home PC that I run windows on so I went and downloaded Thunderbird and have been happy ever since.
Why was that the red line for you, given all the other shit that's already in Windows?
This is basically "dog bites man" territory at this point.
This was always the case in the web version of Outlook, and the mobile client. If you subscribe to 365, ads are removed.
I noticed this last year when I moved away from 365 and started getting ads on the Outlook mobile client. I ended up binning it off and just used the default Mail app on iOS, which is a shame because the Outlook app on phones is actually superb. Not good enough to put up with ads though.
The article only seems to mention free consumer accounts, if I didn't accidentally skip a section. Does anyone know how this will affect M365 subscribers (both consumer/enterprise)? I use Outlook every day at work and the lack of features in the web app make it basically unusable for me.
the standalone office application called 'outlook' is still existing.. (for now, and until microsoft comes up with a way to fk that up too)
some moron at microsoft just decided it would be a good idea to dilute the strength of the outlook name by using it on webmail and the new (cr)app version in windows.
It's already on the way, the office app "outlook" has a "new outlook" mode, which is this same web based version that only talks to Microsoft servers, so even if you use a non Microsoft email account, Microsoft takes your credentials,syncs your email to their server and then shows it to you through the web outlook.
Microsoft tried to shanghai me to the "new outlook". When I realized the scope of what they were trying to do, under the guise of a simple software update, I was floored. I don't even think Google, with all of their Borg-ish tendencies, would attempt such a blatant hijacking of user data. The privacy implications are profound.
At least running Pihole eliminates these ads, same for the Android outlook app.
The constant shitty changes that I have to combat are enough to make me explore other options, however. I don't want to have to fight against the software I use.
I'll give Thunderbird another go (used it years past and bounced off), and failing that maybe I'll pick emClient back up (used to use it for managing multiple Google work accounts).
My difficulty is that I use a Microsoft hosted email, and integration with third party applications for contacts & calendar has always been an issue. Maybe it's time to move those to my Nextcloud instance?
After a while after you switch to Linux, the Microsoft headlines start getting funny instead of infuriating. 😂
I saw these adds ages ago when they first let me try it out. Immediately reverted. Ill stop using it once it stops working.
Also saw ads when it was in beta. Switched to Thunderbird that same day. When support for Windows 10 dies I'll be switching to Linux on my desktop. Ads are stinky
There's a School of Rock musical!? Awesome. Gotta look into tickets.
Engaged 2019 apparently. Oh well.
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