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There's this rising narrative going around that if you ask specifically for a CIS partner, you're a transphobe. That could be true for some people but it's not fundamentally related to bigotry. Moreover, this narrative, the "if you only want a CIS mate then that is prejudice" is trampling on one of the most important rights a person can have: the right to choose who they want to get intimate with.

First of all, transmen are in fact men and transwomen are in fact women. Let's get that out of the way. This isn't a foot in the door for "trans this really isn't that" narratives. What this is about it is the freedom to choose who you want to be intimate with. That right is sancrosanct, it is absolutely inviolable.

And yes, there's plenty of issues that make transgender dating a special issue. If someone reveals their TG status they can be open to hate crimes and even deadly violence. However all marginalized groups are special in their own way. As a black man I don't think it's racist if a woman says she doesn't want to date a black man. I face oppression, too. My class is special in its own way. One group isn't more special than the other. None of us have the right to force ourselves upon those who don't want to be intimate with us, even by omitting who we really are.

Really, if you have to deceive or hide who you are in order to date someone, do you really want to date them? I wouldn't. That's not fair to you and you're denying them their right to choose who they want. What do you think will happen when the person wants a CIS mate and they discover the truth? They're going to get pissed and dump you. Now you have to shame them into staying with you: "If you loved me for real this wouldn't bother you"... that's not going to convince anyone. They're either going to leave, or they'll resent you forever. That's just how it is. You can be mad at that but that's about as effective as protesting the rising of the sun. There's just no way to win once you've gone down that road.

"I want a CIS mate" is not the same as "trans women are not women" - one is a preference, the other is harmful prejudice. On the flip side CIS people who do date trans people shouldn't be shamed for their choices either. A man should be free to date a trans woman and not catch flak about it. Trans people should be able to be openly trans and not face hate speech or threats to their well-being. This, without any exception whatsoever.

The fundamental fact is when you shame or worse abrogate people's right to choose who they want to get intimate with, it's not going to end well for you. All you're going to get is people who resent being coerced or bullied to date people they don't want to. And that's not something the country, or the world, will ever put up with. Except that right now, most people don't imagine they can be labeled a transphobe just for wanting a CIS mate. And unpopular opinion: that should be nipped in the bud.

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[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

"I want to announce that I have no intention of allowing myself to get to know a certain type of person"

"Why are people treating me like I'm a certain type of person, who people wouldn't like to get to know?"

[-] donuts@kbin.social 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
  1. I respect other people's expressions of individuality, romantic preferences and unique sexuality.

  2. I apply broad negative labels on people who don't want all the same things that I want from a partner.

Pick one.

It's possible to support people without being romantically, physically and/or sexually attracted to them. For example, a straight man might not want a lesbian woman for a partner (and, you know, she probably doesn't want him either), but they can still support each other, believe in solidarity, be friends and allies to each other and acknowledge each other's fundamental human rights.

I genuinely don't know if I would be attracted to a trans woman (I'm happy to keep an open mind but I haven't been in a situation where it's come up in my life), but I do believe in trans rights, I love my trans friends, and I want them (and everyone else) to find happiness in their own skin and be able to live as the person they want to be without some asshole politicians in red ties telling them they cannot. I don't think it's hard.

In my opinion that's not a bad thing, it's a good thing.

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

You have to date someone to get to know them? That's kind of sad.

[-] GhostFence@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Not me. I'll happily get to know and befriend LGBTQ. And go vigilante if I see them being threatened. I have a 12 year old son and if he wants to date a transgirl she's welcome in my house as his girlfriend.

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[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

You need to go outside and touch grass, holy cow you're online too much.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Just put "want to one day have kids" in your profile, then get over it.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 points 11 months ago
[-] GhostFence@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Speaking as one who did adopt a child, hooboy, that is WAY off. Adoption is wildly expensive. Worse yet, remember the movie Constantine where he visited hell? That scene describes the *bureaucracy *that you have to go through to adopt a child. And that's domestic adoption, let's not talk about a child from overseas.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/10/adopt-baby-cost-process-hard/620258/

"Adoption is a thing" vastly, tragically understates the difficulty involved in adopting a child. If you want kids and are fertile, it's beyond insanely easier to make a baby of your own.

And that's before we get into the ethics (or lack thereof) of shaming someone who wants biological kids of their own.

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[-] giddy@aussie.zone 10 points 11 months ago

I am the dad of a transgender person and I agree. Sexual and romantic attraction should never be held to the same standard. The heart (and the genitals) wants what it wants

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

Fuck I'm trans and I agree with you

[-] creditCrazy@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Personally I agree. Personally one of the biggest factors that makes me want to get into a relationship in the first place is more or less to make a kid. Sure adoptions are a thing but like I just don't see myself getting turned on by sex with someone who doesn't have a vagina. The most I can see her doing for me is a hand job. Shallow yea but that's just kinda biology. I can't see anyone making me enjoy a trans woman anymore than you can make a gay dude enjoy a cis woman. And all that's not even mentioning I live in a place where parents still pressure their children to make grandkids.

[-] GhostFence@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

A transwoman has a vagina post-op. But again this part is irrelevant IMHO. Freedom to choose is sancrosanct. If you date a transwoman it should also be with zero consequence.

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[-] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 8 points 11 months ago

Why do you shout cis every time you say it? I agree that I don't have any interest in dating someone who doesn't want to date me but I'm very confused about the yelling.

[-] magnetosphere@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Some folks are merely in the habit of capitalizing acronyms. It isn’t necessarily yelling.

Edit: whoops - I don’t think cis is actually an acronym. Pardon my ignorance!

[-] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago

It's not, that's why I was confused. At least, when you talk about cis people or cisalpine Gaul it isn't. When you talk about the CIS from Star Wars, then it is :p

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[-] Bonesy91@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Wow, first of all, no one cares if you put cis in your "looking for". God it must be so hard for straight people to exist/ sarcasm.

[-] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Dude, most dating apps place trans people in a entirely third category. Usually it's a third box after male/female and I promise, nobody cares if you leave it unchecked. You're missing out on wonderful, self-realized, adventurous individuals IMHO but nobody is calling you a transphobe simply because you prefer cis women, calm down. You're exaggerating greatly and absolutely parroting anti-trans hysteria here. Shit like this is exactly why a trans person might not come out on the first date

[-] the_q@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Being ace/aro must be a fucking god send these days.

[-] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

Only if your partner is aswell which rarely is the case so no, it isn't.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

See your main problem is that you were dumb enough to try going on a dating app to begin with

It's pretty well established by now that those things are basically useless save for a lucky few

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[-] Ataraxia@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As someone who doesn't care about race gender or what genitals you have or had if i were dating, I agree.

[-] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 7 points 11 months ago

Uhm, those platforms don't filter by your sexual preference?

[-] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Uhm, yes they do. It's one of the preferences you set for your profile.

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[-] yarr@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago

First of all, transmen are in fact men and transwomen are in fact women.

Sweet, then you have no problem and are open to dating anyone in your preferred gender.

[-] stockRot@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

No, I am not open to date the vast majority of folks in my preferred gender. Age, language, whether they're a good person, shared hobbies, shared culture are all factors. Why isn't cisness a legitimate factor?

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago

It is. You just can't virtue signal about how everyone is equal while expressing such a preference.

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