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submitted 10 months ago by breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca to c/world@lemmy.world

Israel has given Hamas a proposal through Qatari and Egyptian mediators that includes up to two months of a pause in the fighting as part of a multi-phase deal that would include the release of all remaining hostages held in Gaza, two Israeli officials said.

Why it matters: While the proposal doesn't include an agreement to end the war, it is the longest period of ceasefire that Israel has offered Hamas since the start of the war.

Driving the news: More than 130 hostages are still being held in Gaza. Israeli officials say several dozen hostages either died on October 7 or in the weeks since then.

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[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 54 points 10 months ago

I am no fan of Hamas, but even I can see this is a bad deal.

So they want Hamas to give up all their leverage and then after two months they will happily continue starving and bombing Gaza?

Why would Hamas agree to such a deal?

It really seems like Netanyahu doesn't care about the hostages and they're just pushing bad deals to placate the Israeli public to make it seem like they are doing something.

[-] P1r4nha@feddit.de 25 points 10 months ago

And Israel needs to do something against its bad reputation at this point. They hope a 2-months break will make people forget whose been brutally bombing schools and refugee centers. And if Hamas or whoever breaks the 2-months ceasefire, it's clear Israel isn't the aggressor.

[-] heavy@sh.itjust.works 33 points 10 months ago

All the hostages they didn't already recklessly kill right?

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 27 points 10 months ago

Why is it so fucking hard for Isreal to offer an indefinite ceasefire.

[-] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 29 points 10 months ago

My guess is because they don't actually want a ceasefire, they want to keep fighting until they've taken more Palestinian land. But by making this non-viable offer they can pretend that they're trying to end the fighting

[-] DdCno1@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago

Do you consider the Hamas offer this is a counter to viable in any way?

[-] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 3 points 10 months ago

I think both Hamas and Netenyahu's government are both horrible awful blood-soaked evil. You don't have to call one side good in order to call the other side bad.

[-] DdCno1@kbin.social 20 points 10 months ago

Because they want to eliminate Hamas - and I don't blame them. You would have the same goals in their place. They cannot allow Hamas to continue their rule over the strip.

Not to mention, every past ceasefire was broken by Hamas, often mere minutes after it started. Hamas seeks these in order to make Israel look bad, because they know that their target audience will shift the blame for everything entirely onto Israel.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

Well this is the biggest straight up lie out there. The previous ceasefire was broken by israel minutes after it started by killing a Palestinian civilian

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

Dated DEC 1:

On Thursday, Hamas killed four Israelis in a terrorist attack in Jerusalem and launched more rockets into Israel, which Israel said violated the ceasefire.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

That ceasefire ended on Sunday. Monday is not sunday. It is the day after Sunday.

Israel was the party that refused to extend the temporary ceasefire by refusing to continue hostage exchanges.

What I am talking about was israel shooting a Palestinian civilian in Gaza during the temporary ceasefire. They were the only party that violated it.

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago
[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Your "evidence" is the IDF playing a siren without any evidence of a rocket?

This is the IDF actually violating the ceasefire by the way. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-troops-fire-at-palestinians-attempting-to-return-to-northern-gaza-during-cease-fire

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Hamas aren't in Jerusalem so that's just bullshit faithfully repeated by Israel's media mouthpieces

[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Incorrect.

Hamas said the men were members of its armed wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades.

[-] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

Cause they need a target to point to as the bad guys. It makes taking the land easier to justify in the eyes of the international media.

[-] cali_ash@lemmy.wtf 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah, why not just offer it? It's not like they have to actually abide by it once they got the hostages.

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